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mdo7
Posts: 6258 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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I wish that really happened, that would really help Japan's porn industry to stop censoring the genital part. Also as I said, Japan's censorship really baffle me. As people said there are festival in Japan dedicated to genital and yet Igarashi got arrested while the people at the festival don't. Here's a list of Japan's baffling censorship: -You remember back in the 80's and 90's when Japanese video game get censored when they go to US? Well, now the wheel turn we're seeing US/western video game getting censored in Japan like Fallout 3. I've talked about Japan's censorship of western games on another post. -While Japan is censoring gore and excessive violence in video game and anime, I find it odd they allowed films of Takashi Miike, and others to be shown in uncut format in theater. I mean how does Tokyo Gore Police, Ichi the Killer, and those gory films from Japan not get censored? |
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Kadmos1
Posts: 13558 Location: In Phoenix but has an 85308 ZIP |
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_Cyphon_, you're explanations probably are among the most logical I've seen explaining obscenity laws.
By the logic of obscenity, it'd seem like they might as well be censoring all fan service-heavy anime/manga (though the anime often are uncensored on ATX and the disc versions). |
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residentgrigo
Posts: 2424 Location: Germany |
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You know what will happen if the legalize prostitution(deriheru obviously isn´t) or allow vaginal close ups(but anal close ups or underage vaginas are obviously ok) like in award winning Image Comics like Sex Criminals. Nothing ! The world will keep on turning and the AV market may even become less insane/inhumane. Here in germany we have full frontal nudity in 0 and up rated movies like Broken Flowers and whorehouses/crazy fetish clubs in any bigger town. Gay marriages and gay big name politicians are a thing since a like a decade ago. But in japan you have to become legal sibling to fill that loophole. None is jumping off bridges here because any of it here.
Not even the politician or the church. Just an idea japan. Let´s make these 150 year old imperial laws go away. It may help and will free the government /police to do something worth presueing.The mangaka´s in question aren´t even listed at MU btw and the linked site is sfw in my book. Come to western europe i say. I immigrated too. The recent censorship in tv and games ratings moving up(Xillia 2 is a C now) has become out of controll as of late. Must be the Abe spirit. |
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DenyingBelial
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There's arguments to be made for exposure to the elements, for sure, but I'm not sure that monogamy and clothing are as intertwined as you'd assume. No other monogamous animal has developed clothing, so clothing isn't a primary component of monogamy (and we're not really monogamous to begin with, at least not on some biological absolute level. That's all culture and possessiveness.) As for that last argument, no amount or lack of clothing seems to affect rape cases. If that were the case, cultures that wear the full-bodied burqa would have no instances of rape, ever, which we know isn't the case. We could argue that there's a limit of minimal clothing before the benefits of clothing in this context start having diminishing returns, but either way that's not really the answer there at all. As a not-so-equivalent-analogy, that would be like trying to put an end to theft by arresting people that don't have their doors locked at all times. A locked door does little to stop theft, and the law addresses a variable that only seems causative at first glance and ultimately punishes people for the wrong thing. Most nudists don't go around "flashing their junk", that's not the point. The point isn't to draw attention to your junk, if anything it's to do away with all the clothing meant to accentuate and advertise your junk (within the confines of "acceptable" as mostly set by media). It's the not-wearing-makeup of clothing. Edit: I think ultimately these laws are in place for our comfort, whether reasonable or not. It's got more to do with our discomfort with sexuality and the sexualization of nudity. When it's a poster or something we're kinda removed from it, as opposed to having naked people in our space. I think most societies would have to change drastically before these kinds of laws could be repealed, but until then it makes sense - it means less discomfort and social tension to have them in place. Last edited by DenyingBelial on Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:26 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Juno016
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No, it's not illegal in Japan. They have laws against real child pornography, but illustrations are more or less given the "hide in the corner of the 18+ section" treatment now. A little while back, that one bill restricted open sale of certain content, but it didn't ban it. However, to some not-18+ series, that was the same as cancelling them, since their primary audiences were under 18. Still, they were allowed to be sold in the 18+ sections of certain stores if they moved serialization. |
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residentgrigo
Posts: 2424 Location: Germany |
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This is what america did to japan in the 19th century to "open up": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakumatsu.
They are not living in their culture anymore and lost even more of it after WW2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postwar_Japan Like their partner germany. They actualy teach us stuff at school here''. I will never call japan saints(ot the yankees or us) but their culture is a bit in the toilet or at least in a chaotic state right now. Just read about this. It is criminal that i(my whole team) am beeing payed by tax dollar to chill an a libary all day but these cops were payed too: animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-07-25/core-magazine-head-editor-2-more-arrested-for-obscene-manga-photos If i started a list where i spotted 2/3 of an erect dick or half a vaginal in a seinen(or sometimes a josei/shonen) magazine we would be still here tomorrow. They advertises vibrators visibly at sex shops at train stations over here btw. Next to a polic box ! Not a joke. Come to Bonn. |
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_Cyphon_
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Being monogamous really doesn't make sense in living organisms, because it does not aid in the survival of the species. However, this is one thing that distinguishes us from animals. You have to admit that it is much easier to rape a naked woman than a fully clothed one. You would have to tear off her clothes, and when you are doing that she will probably fight back or call for help, hence why rapists drug them or do it in a deserted place. With a naked lady, all you have to do is open their legs and insert your penis, simple as that. They might fight back, but if the rapist is fast enough they might be too stunned to do anything. I agree with your idea that these laws are in place for our comfort however. A human's sexual drive is very powerful. If you were left in room together with a female, would you feel more aroused and inclined to commit sexual acts if she were naked or if she were covered? This does not include pre-meditated thoughts of rape. Also, monogamy does to some degree help the survival of a species. The existence of STDs has given us a fantastic reason for remaining faithful to one's spouse. Some of it is curable, but some aren't. They stay with you your entire life. Some like syphilis might even kill you if not treated. I sure wouldn't want pain in my penis each time I urinate. |
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_Cyphon_
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I really do not understand Japan's use of censorship. Once in a while, I read hentai mangas as well, and what annoys me the most is the black strips they place over the "obscure" parts of the body. I mean, you're showing us intercourse between two people! What are a few black strips gonna do?! Unless you cover the entire dick or vagina with a black box, I honestly would not feel any less or more aroused if there was no censorship at all. It always seemed unnecessary to me. The only thing they did do was annoy me to a point where I see all dicks and vaginas with a zebra pattern. |
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Top Gun
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Obscenity laws are absolutely ridiculous, whether in Japan or here in the US. Sure, let's hold freedom of expression as a cornerstone of our society, except for these few naughty things that no one can ever ever show! It's made all the worse in this case because of the sort of content that gets produced every day by the manga industry. Sure, Comic LO is hunky-dory, but God forbid a woman displays a part of her own body!
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RestLessone
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Want to point out that many animal species are monogamous. Usually these are birds, but not always; coyotes, for example, are monogamous. Humans are animals. Monogamy, polygamy, promiscuity; these are just mating systems, each with benefits for different species. Monogamy has its uses. A 'good' male will be allowed to procreate, and the offspring will often be cared for by both parents. Monogamous animals that live in groups will have the aid of other individuals in protection and rearing. From an evolutionary perspective, humans likely weren't monogamous like they are today--but we are social so, even if we were, our far-back ancestors would have engaged in alloparenting. |
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Blanchimont
Posts: 3453 Location: Finland |
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Remember what I wrote?;
And yes, hygiene IS a logical reason why you should in certain circumstances cover yourself. (Though that a walking nudist might still carry something, like a towel, to sit on isn't exactly unthinkable...) However Megumi Igarashi's running foul of Japan's obscenity laws was the result of visual cues in her artistry, ones that had absolutely nothing to do with anyone's hygiene. MaxSouth's post was in response to those laws, being critical of them, of how they were applied to her and others. He doesn't state anything about hygiene either, nor does your reply to him in any way infer of it.
Just because other places might not see injustices as we do, doesn't mean we can't be critical of them. I don't approve of what North Korea makes its citizens endure, and I voice that opinion. Likewise with Iran and freedom of speech. Likewise with Saudi-Arabia and women's rights. Likewise with US and its mass-surveillance... |
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mrsatan
Posts: 909 Location: Olympia, WA, USA |
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Foreign influence is what got Japan to enact that stupid obscenity law in the first place and I think that's what it's going to take to get it repealed.
I just wonder how many people of influence have the courage to stand up and do the right thing here. Most politicians and human rights advocates are going to be too cowardly, too afraid of being labelled "pro-porn". |
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Gasero
Posts: 939 Location: USA |
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I prefer clothing laws because clothing plays a role in keeping surfaces and interactions sanitary. Clothing can get dirty too, but I would feel much more comfortable knowing that the person in contact with a surface before me was wearing something over their skin so that I am not in contact with their bodily fluid etc.
Clothing also keeps somewhat of a barrier between people in public. It would be a terrible experience in public places if people's naked bodies were constantly rubbing against each other. Less clothing is usually acceptable in less populated regions and locations. |
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Mohawk52
Posts: 8202 Location: England, UK |
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Vagina shaped boat. I guess a canoe would fit that description up to a point which would be the depth of the draft where it becomes less a boat and more a wader.
This is just judicial hypocracy, and where is this Set Precident? |
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mdo7
Posts: 6258 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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Yeah I kept wondering why Japanese govt are so reluctant to repeal that law, I guess it must be the Shikata ga nai/Shōganai that must be preventing it from happening. |
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