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Crisha
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I am now visualizing Oshii and Miyazaki as Statler and Waldorf heckling every show/movie they see.
Oshii: You think this show is educational? Miyazaki: Yes, it will drive people to read books. *CACKLE CACKLE* Oshii: I like the movie fine so far. Miyazaki: It hasn't started yet. Oshii: That's what I like about it. *CACKLE CACKLE* Miyazaki: Eh, this show is good for what ails me. Oshii: Well, what ails ya? Miyazaki: Insomnia. Miyazaki: Are we the wrong generation for this kind of comedy? Oshii: No, the wrong species. |
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DavidShallcross
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Now, now, just because he could type doesn't mean he could speak. And, I have a bunch of the Warner Classics print-on-demand DVDs. They are clearly made on as low a budget as possible, on properties they have full rights to. A non-Japanese company would have too many additional costs to issue print-on-demand anime, much as we might like it. But, there is also Nozomi's experiment with print-on-demand manga. I wonder how that will work out. |
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DaisakuKusama
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The first question reminded me of that Ren and Stimpy episode where Stimpy makes a cartoon and then shows it to an old animator he idolizes. Hilarity ensues.
Old animator guy: "If ya wanna be a genius, it's easy! All ya gotta say is everything stinks! Then you're never wrong! That's how much of a genius I am!" Last edited by DaisakuKusama on Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:04 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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yuna49
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I take it the Toei critics have never seen Nakamura Kenji's Apothecary shows for noitaminA, "Bakeneko" and Mononoke, nor that studio's version of Hakaba Kitarou, also for noitaminA. Nakamura's work since then has been interesting but variable, though last summer's Tsuritama, made with A-1, was his most effective work since the Apothecary stories.
I'd say my favorite studios are probably Madhouse and I.G. The best Madhouse shows have very well-designed characters with lots of facial details. The current Chihayafuru is a good example as is Mouryou no Hako. Monster is often criticized for having "ugly" character designs, but that has as much to do with Urazawa's manga designs as it does Madhouse. Besides most people in real life are not as beautiful as most anime characters so it adds to the feeling of realism in Monster. I.G shows often seem to have a "sheen" about them that seems quite evident in works like Kamiyama's Seirei no Moribito and Eden of the East, and Shirow's Ghost Hound and Real Drive. I've also enjoyed a number of shows from Brains-Base, particularly Kurenai and Baccano!. I like them as much for their choice of material as for the production values on screen. (I've forgiven them for Akikan.) They also have excellent taste in music.
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Vaisaga
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YOU CANNOT STOP THE PIRACY HYDRA! YOU CAN ONLY EMBRACE IT! As for CGI stuff, Brian touched upon it a little bit, but it doesn't only apply to adaptations. In general anime viewers want 2D art. Sure, you can still draw porn of CGI characters, but it's just not the same! Japan does crank out some great CGI stuff, though. Go watch Resident Evil: Damnation. It's amazing. |
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Rahxephon91
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Someone hating on Gurren Lagann? That's pretty wrong and dumb.
But seriously(though I was serious), it isn't fair to use that as an example in your point that even great studios aren't perfect since the show is (factually) great and really well received. It's like saying a good director can even make bad movies and listing what is largly considered his classic just because you don't like it. You not liking dosen't change the fact that it still has quite a lot of merit. GL has pretty fantastic, artwork, animation, and arguably characters and story. Are you really going to tell me that Ganiax's more work for hire "no body really cared" projections is better then one where the actual effort is quite evident? |
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DrizzlingEnthalpy
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Miyazaki and Oshii are both certainly quite grumpy, though, and Oshii is definitely rather nutty. But not because he doesn't love Porco Rosso as much as we do. |
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faintsmile1992
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I'm not sure Oshii is a total grump. He had kind words for Tales from Earthsea. And I think good quality anime is still produced ie. Journey to Agartha, though its Ghibli influences were obvious.
GITS 2 was too deep for most people, it was intended to explore intelligent themes in the style of Philip K. Dick and GITS 2 was far deeper than GITS. Nonetheless, anyone who likes Dick and thought-provoking hard sci-fi will appreciate them both. The second film was never intended to be a populist work and can't be faulted on such grounds. Last edited by faintsmile1992 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:44 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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faintsmile1992
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metallian
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Personally I agree with Oshii. Every now and then I find something recent I like, but taken as a whole, anime today is dead to me.
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shamisen the great
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penguintruth
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Miyazaki and Oshii?
Try Yoshiyuki Tomino! Remember how Tomino complained that video games were unproductive a few years ago? Now there's a grump! (And yet he's probably my favorite anime director... along with Miyazaki and Oshii!) Like I said last week, it's hard to find a studio that constantly hits home runs. As a Gundam fan (speaking of Tomino), Sunrise has produced quite a few of my favorite anime both in and out of that franchise. But it's also produced a ton of garbage, and outside of Gundam Unicorn, hasn't produced anything excellent in years. Most of the real talent from Sunrise went to Bones, who produced the Cowboy Bebop movie and the two FMA shows, which are all favorites of mine. I like Darker than Black and Soul Eater, but most of the other stuff they've produced have either had premises I'm not interested in, lose me after a few episodes, or end up total trainwreck disappointments in the story department, like Wolf's Rain. Usually very good production values but their writers can't really make it. Gainax, as I've said, has never produced a single anime that I've outright hated (as far as the ones I've seen), and has produced a few favorites of mine like NGE, FLCL, and Wings of the Honneamise. However, I'm not as blown away by Gurren Lagann as everyone else was and Panty & Stocking is only really good for a couple of cheap laughs. There's plenty of Gainax works I haven't watched because they don't seem to be about anything I'm interested in. So it's hard to tell whether or not I really like Gainax or not. Most studios produce more garbage than gold, but some significantly more the former than latter. |
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kakoishii
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This answerfan response made me chuckle. If you're going to defend an animation studio's past quality you might not want to do it with two shows that are notorious for having frequent quality issues through the majority of their long runs. |
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Vent
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Yes, but on the other hand, he said good things about Tales from Earthsea. Which says a lot about his taste, again. Also, "too deep" is a total oversimplification of the problems people have with GITS 2. I get exactly what it was trying to say, but Oshii should have found a less boring and dense way to say it. |
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Animegomaniac
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... I have no idea how to respond to this while remaining clean. I'd describe Patlabor 2 as two hours of nothing happening but as exciting as possible. Characters talking becomes narration becomes soiliques as images of post post War Japan collect, flash by and ultimately come to nothing. Much like the plot and the plot of the first movie but unlike the first movie, it's all amazing as Hell. For a franchise cashin, it's an astounding accomplishment. It's so, so , so... Someone got a tissue? A lot of Bones fans for production companies. I guess they're fine for animation but episodewise, they're only ok as long as they only adapt and don't try to create. I only bought the Soul Eater series after watching some youtube videos showcasing "best of" scenes; The show itself is a mess. Silver Link looking good? That's less Silver Link and more Shin Oonuma, director of several stylish Shaft animes as well as Silver Link's best shows {Not OniAi but that one's hardly as impressive as Baka and Test, Dusk Maiden and C Cubed anyway}. No Shaft, no Kyoto, are people stuck ten years in the past for some reason? Even the dislikes seem retro... |
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