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tuxedocat



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:23 am Reply with quote
I'm glad I'm not the only person here who really likes Tsuritama. Haru can be a little bizarre at first, but he tones down as the series progresses. I'm really glad it wasn't a slice-of-life series about a boy dealing with his social anxiety. Watching that kind of show would have just made me tired.
It is dealt with in an amusing way, along with everything else in the show. I liked the strange sense of humor and the art is really wack-o and fun to look at.. It was one of my favorites of its season.
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Animegomaniac



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:34 am Reply with quote
tsuritama is tiring but leave it to the Japanese to misspell the word completely. There's the boat captain who can pay extra hands enough money in a part time fishing job for tourists to buy tackle in a shop that no longer afford to be just a tackle shop. For tourists.

Yeah? Circular thinking?

spoiler[Well that captain is in love with the shop girl for said tackle shop, because they have money problems so..., anyway she getting it on with the shop owner, a widower, while she's only a few years older than his son, explains the whole money issue thing and why they just don't get rid of her, anyways, the boat captain is the only idiot who seems unaware of the whole affair.

Hilarious, but if they're in so much financial trouble, how the guy can hire boat hands for, what, 500 dollars a week? Each? {But I do remember thinking "what customers?" and then, all of a sudden, they were there. They should try that at the tackle shop.}

Oh and there's something about fishing and fish but that's boring {spoken from someone raised in a fishing place}. And aliens, which is just stupid. And alien fish which is just ... stupider. And alien fish who can become human aliens while still retaining that "I'm not an alien!" shtick when really it should be "I'm not a fish."]

Really stupid.
Looks nice, has a good theme and a really ugly face but here's the biggest problem: When you can outright yell at a "slice of life" series to get a life; "Enoshima bowl!" indeed. Now, if it had a love interest or I'd even settle for a life interest but when even the fishing guru's more "fishing, yeah..." than "Fishing, Hell Yeah!", the show knows it's...

Fishing without bait?

High School D x D? Awesome but I didn't find it so entertaining until I saw the dub. But yeah, breasts. But if you didn't get that from the box art, spine, inserts or Double DVDs then you're blind.

{Why didn't the perverted, breasts obsessed Issei not cover Asia? Because he was emotional devastated from spoiler[ having his current love interest being tortured by his former love interest, his first love, who also tortured and killed him previously and tortured him again mentally for being an utter failure as a man and a boring date while physically torturing Asia]

I didn't think it was an issue because a lot was on his mind, mostly of the torture vareity. But yeah, forgetting some basic decency is so out of character for someone with tears streaming down his face...}

DBZ Ocean dub? Too expensive, why does the one-off release get the premium edition?
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Maidenoftheredhand



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:31 am Reply with quote
Count me in as another person who loved Tsuritama. Honestly I think it did blend its too storylines together well. Ultimately I felt the story was about community, the community of friendship & family but also the community of Enoshima (which is a lovely side trip from Tokyo btw)

Anyways the series was definitely a must buy for me.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:19 am Reply with quote
I went into the season expecting that I'd like Kids on the Slope more, but it ended up being Tsuritama that was my favorite. While KotS got weaker as it went on, Tsuritama only got stronger. I love the light-hearted tone of the series and the bizarreness that goes on - it only made the series even more charming. And the weirdness worked well in a way that the dramatic moments in the second half still felt dramatic. spoiler[OH SHIT, THE WORLD IS BEING TAKEN OVER WITH "SAINO SAINO".] And the last episode can only be described as the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann of fishing.

Haru annoyed me a little initially, but I grew to love him as much as anyone else. And his friendship with Yuki was adorable. spoiler[Episode 10 when he freaked out upon Yuki's return touched my heart. He was scared enough to yell at Yuki.] Also, the ending was a perfect way to end the series.

I thought that the timing and dramatic build-up was really good for the series, and I disagree that the first half and second half did not mesh well.

I just recently rewatched the series again with my friends (who had not seen it before), and it's just as good the second time around as the first. It's a wonderful, heart-warming story with charming characters and great rising action that pretty much wraps up perfectly. My friends loved it as well. Also, we ended up dancing to the opening song for almost every episode.

Overall, it was one of my favorite series of that year, and it's my #1 most-wanted purchase from Sentai.
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Redcrimson



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:14 am Reply with quote
CrownKlown wrote:
Okay. You haven't really given the show a chance if you make comments like that. You do realize its a light novel? A 15 plus volume light novel. And you know that LNs have like 10 pages of pics scattered in between 150-200 pages of text. So clearly there has to be more to the work then just large breast, if the light novel is as popular as it is. I can't see big breasts when I am reading a wall of text.


And I'm sure 50 Shades of Grey is popular because it's a moving, deftly written, emotional tale. You're arguing against thousands of years of literary history. Literature doesn't need pictures, those are up to the reader to conjure up themselves. It may not have pictures of boobs, but I'm sure it describes them in painstaking detail.

I'll agree, there is more to DxD than breasts. It's also a teen power fantasy. That's why it's popular.

CrownKlown wrote:
Also, I could easily say the same about PMM, take away the lesbian lolis and you have a generic magical girl show.


If Homura was male, it would have almost no effect on the narrative. And the narrative is why Madoka is good. Regardless of how dark it is, it is still a beautiful, intelligent, and well-oiled storytelling machine.

Yes, Madoka is dark magical girl show. Yes, Spirited Away is a tired fantasy trope. But that's the premise, not the story. It's not what they're about that makes them good, it's how they're executed.

If you think Madoka or Ghibli are just running on gimmicks, then I don't think you understand anything about screenwriting or cinematography.

CrownKlown wrote:
I mean why did you even bother watching the show, if you had no interest in big breasts.


I can watch whatever I want, thanks. I expected a hilarious trainwreck, instead it was just dull and uninspired.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:24 am Reply with quote
Re: DxD, I actually think the whole Issei/Yuma thing is pretty shoddily written. He literally knew her for like, what, a few days? I don't care if she's his first "girlfriend," 3 days (or whatever) is NOT enough to form the type of bond the series was trying to use.

I mean, she was a STRANGER. Bro has dependency problems if he gets latched on that fast.

Asia, I believe. Yuma.......... Maybe if their "relationship" had lasted for at least a month or something.
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Tuor_of_Gondolin



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:59 am Reply with quote
Bamboo,

That's because you've never been a lonely teenaged guy. He'd not only never dated a girl before, but they'd never even given him the time of day before. He had an image of dating in his head: of the girl, of what they'd do together, of what it would be like. She played to that image, making it real for him, and then sadistically destroyed it. As a guy who knows what it was like to be a lonely teenaged guy, I can say that would be a pretty brutal emotional scorching. It's not about the relationship per se, but about his self-esteem and his view on what a relationship *ought* to be like.

So while I won't deny it was a bit overdone, I don't think it was entirely unreasonable for him to be affected the way he was. Guys his age can be pretty fragile emotionally in certain areas, and basically she attacked and mocked his manliness as well as his overall personality (Issei's basically a Nice Guy). She was a pretty terrible person.
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vashfanatic



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:36 pm Reply with quote
Redcrimson wrote:
You're arguing against thousands of years of literary history. Literature doesn't need pictures, those are up to the reader to conjure up themselves.

Not defending DxD here (because yeah, I don't think it's targeted at straight women approaching 30), but you're the one arguing against centuries of literary history. Literature has been filled with illustrations and illuminations since its inception. Particularly in Japan, illustrated books were incredibly popular throughout the Tokugawa period and served as part of the background from which manga and light novels arose. I've got old copies of Alice and Wonderland and Dickens with the original illustrations from when they were published. And check Shakespeare's folios... or Medieval manuscripts... or ancient Egyptian scrolls...

Literature has always used illustration. That's partly because in the past a lot of people either couldn't read or had poor literacy and needed the pictures, but it's also because pictures can supplement a story when well-drawn and well-placed. Don't dismiss a book just because it has a few illustrations.
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FD2Raptor



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:56 pm Reply with quote
I'll just drop a quick comment that the nipple thing that you mentioned is totally the anime staff "creativity" at work.

It wasn't there in the LN. It wasn't there in the manga adaptation either:
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:40 pm Reply with quote
vashfanatic wrote:
Redcrimson wrote:
You're arguing against thousands of years of literary history. Literature doesn't need pictures, those are up to the reader to conjure up themselves.

Not defending DxD here (because yeah, I don't think it's targeted at straight women approaching 30), but you're the one arguing against centuries of literary history. Literature has been filled with illustrations and illuminations since its inception. Particularly in Japan, illustrated books were incredibly popular throughout the Tokugawa period and served as part of the background from which manga and light novels arose. I've got old copies of Alice and Wonderland and Dickens with the original illustrations from when they were published. And check Shakespeare's folios... or Medieval manuscripts... or ancient Egyptian scrolls...

Literature has always used illustration. That's partly because in the past a lot of people either couldn't read or had poor literacy and needed the pictures, but it's also because pictures can supplement a story when well-drawn and well-placed. Don't dismiss a book just because it has a few illustrations.


Redcrimson seems to simply be arguing that books don't need pictures to be considered pornographic, not that books with pictures/illustrations/illuminations are any less quality than books with text.

Seems true enough to me.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:10 pm Reply with quote
Haha "King Soopers". Only a Colorado person would use that rather then saying "Kroger".
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:11 am Reply with quote
I imagine you would have to be an older fan of DBZ to appreciate the "Rock the Dragon" DBZ box. I got into DBZ back in 1998. I was watching Cartoon Network after getting home from my first job which I had just started and happened to come across a programming block called Toonami, which debuted the previous year but I hadn't heard of it yet. I noticed they were showing an anime I had never seen. I got into anime a couple of years before after coming across the Sci-Fi Channel's Saturday Anime block, so I was always eager to see new stuff as anime was not as common in America then. Anywho, I decided to watch this "Dragonball Z" and saw a spectacular fight where a spiky-haired character blew up a mountain with an energy blast from his hand. It was like nothing I had seen before. I was quickly hooked, and watched the show religiously. I joined a message board (my first time joining any online community) on a now long-defunct fansite called PlanetNamek.com. The things we were looking forward to the most was the debut of "Season 3," which incidentally was 14 years ago this month. Those first promos on Toonami back in the summer of '99 were getting us all hyped. Of course, "Season 3" ended up being immensely controversial. While the editing was toned down in its severity and the writing for the dub wasn't as corny, Funimation ditched Ocean for their own in-house dub group, and they were dreadful. Those actors might be respected now, but 14 years ago they were reviled. Despite no longer having to conform to Saban's censorship policies, most of us still lamented the loss of the Ocean Group VAs. Both dubs might seem lousy by today's standards, but back in 1999, Ocean was gold compared to Funi's first efforts. Nobody could ever replace Brian Drummond's Vegeta or Scott McNeil's Piccolo. Christopher Sabat was a pale imitation of both.

Of course, tastes change over time, and DBZ as a whole is no longer "The Best Anime Ever" to me, but it and the Ocean dub both still hold a special place in my heart for being such a big part of my early years of anime viewing.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:29 am Reply with quote
Reading about Tsuritama reminds me of Niea_7, for those who remember that. Well, they both have Indians and aliens. Any similarities in tone?
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