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Hameyadea
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I mentioned the different treatments that porn gets in Japan and in the Western countries to emphasis the lengths in which one government (Japan's) has gone to include censorship requirements on the sexually-theme content (porn) versus the treatment the same content gets in Western governments. If have people will band together for a single cause, or with a single demand, laws and regulations can be added/removed per public opinion and pressure. On the flip-side, Japan has largely accepted LGBT behaviors for a long time (as also evidence in the graph provided here); compared to the prohibition by the U.S. government until recently (and in some States LGBT bans are still in effect) |
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Polycell
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Men having sex with men being acceptable doesn't mean anything - that's how it is in certain areas of Afghanistan(to the point of there being at least one case of a grown man being astonished that procreation required having sex with an unclean woman), but if you're actually gay, you're in for a bad time.
As for a mass push for porn, that never happened in the US; successful obscenity trials simply became next to impossible(the last one I'm aware of had the jury begging to be allowed to not watch all the videos in question part way through). In Japan, on the other hand, the censoring requirement's been held up several times. When it comes to these sorts of things, you have to remember: the US is very much the extreme when it comes to protected speech; I don't think there's a single government elsewhere on the planet with such an absolute in its constitution. |
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Haterater
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Unfortunate. I think they still have the website though, so for those who don't have the channel, they can watch the shows there. |
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Guile
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One main difference that was pointed out was it's far more common to see sexual issues, including LGBT stuff, in kids shows in Japan than it is here without moral guardians panicing that their kids are being exposed to evil things. You can see your standard nudity/fanservice in shows like Hero Bank and Fairy Tail, or more LGBT things like PriPara where a boy's dream was to become an idol so he decided to start crossdressing/become transgender, whatever you want to call it. I have to assume that being exposed to that kind of stuff from childhood is only going to create more tolerance compared to hiding that stuff from kids and making them discover it on their own in perhaps the least desirable way. |
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Kadmos1
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It is sad when the past sins of one's nation affects one's future.
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enurtsol
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Then again, Japan is quite a traditionalist society - social movements there move slowly like molasses. Very conformist; things don't change quickly; positions of power ruled by septuagenarians from same old families. Kinda where 1950s America was, like in their treatment of women and minorities, before the social revolutions. Doesn't help that next generations of J-youths tend to be apathetic and doth not protest much, so that favors the status quo. So it'll be awhile. Last edited by enurtsol on Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:28 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Kadmos1
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A danger of nationalism is trying to hold a certain image of your country and not necessarily acknowledge the bad choices your country has done.
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gloverrandal
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There's more to acceptance than legalizing marriage, like not having to worry about being stabbed on the streets by bigots like you do here. Marriage is probably one of the last thing one should worry about, and whenever I see people quickly point out that some states legalizing gay marriage as some kind of measure of gay acceptancehings in this country, I have to wonder if that is part of the reason for them being legalized. A political move to make it look like the problems gays face in those communities are somehow nonexistant because it's now legal to marry. Sort of like how when officials low the poverty line so they can artificially fix the poverty rates and say that poverty is on the decrease to make things look better than they really are. |
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rinmackie
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Actually, in spite of what you see in anime and manga, real life Japan is less progressive than America. Most Japanese actually frown upon non-traditional relationships and aren't as supportive of LGBT issues as you might think. True, traditional pre-Meiji Japan was more tolerant but in modern times Japan tried to become more like the West when it came to sex. And though there's been progress here, Japan hasn't caught up and that's true of some other social issues as well.
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Shenl742
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You'd be quite naïve to think that marriage is the be all and all of solutions to the problems gay people like me face, but it's still a very significant step towards legitimize our relationships as something to be recognized and accepted, as well as allow us access to the dozens of rights and benefits only available to legally married couples.
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enurtsol
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You're correct; that is part of the reason for legalization of gay marriage. For years now, acceptance has been trending upwards: Once it hit the majority of US population, it became just a matter of time. When the case hits the Supreme Court, it's likely gonna be the law of the land for all 50 states. It's true that gays are less likely to suffer physical harm in Japan due fortunately to Japan's traditional non-confrontational way of doing things. Instead, it's more about exclusion - tolerance extends beyond just violence; it also covers discriminatory exclusion and denial of rights. They may not physically hurt you, but they don't have to acknowledge your existence, stand up for your dignity, have any association with, thus be treated like a non-entity nor contributing member of society (these pressures also led to the J-phenomena of hikikomori and workplace bullying). In conformist homogenous Japan, those hurt a lot. From that previously linked Asahi article:
Much of that treatment stem from J-society's emphasis on strict conformity rather than moral:
So ya have to think of the situation in terms of keeping society harmony wa and conforming to what is expected of you following everybody else do. |
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