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natchu96
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 Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:44 am
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| tobeast777 wrote: | | It should be force T-T Why has force died? I loved it so much. Strikers and Force are the best thing about the Nanoha series and what makes the series unique from many other magical girl shows. That said, go punch some people Einhart Stratos. |
Nobody likes force 
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Mr. Oshawott
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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:38 am
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| tobeast777 wrote: | | Strikers and Force are the best thing about the Nanoha series and what makes the series unique from many other magical girl shows. |
According to most of the fanbase, Magical Record Lyrical Nanoha Force was the lowest point of the franchise for the reason that it had less to do with Nanoha (much to the title's irony) and more to do with Thoma. If I correctly recall, I heard that the fanbase (at least on the Japanese side) dislike Force so dearly that they even refused to accept it as canon.
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MysticMew
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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:19 am
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Technically I promised this for the thread in the other forum but since I just found it again and it is approriate...
http://das-sporking.livejournal.com/tag/fic%3A%20magical%20record%20lyrical%20nanoha%20force
A pretty accurate account of why Force is so bad/hated so much. I find myself agreeing with most of it (granted I have not really read all of it but what I did, resonates with my own opinion).
Personally I have no problem with Strikers. While I agree there were some awkward bits (mostly the whole political side could have been established way better), I enjoyed that Nanoha is one of the few series that actually attempts to have the child heroine grow up and pass the torch to the next generation (sort of). You don't get that very often. And I don't think it has been done all too badly. The only thing aside from the political issues that I may criticize about Strikers would be the relative uselessness of Hayate despite her status of SS-rank. I mean, almost all the main cast got a cool scene in the final battle while Hayate with all her power barely got to do anything.
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natchu96
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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:49 am
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| MysticMew wrote: | Technically I promised this for the thread in the other forum but since I just found it again and it is approriate...
http://das-sporking.livejournal.com/tag/fic%3A%20magical%20record%20lyrical%20nanoha%20force
A pretty accurate account of why Force is so bad/hated so much. I find myself agreeing with most of it (granted I have not really read all of it but what I did, resonates with my own opinion).
Personally I have no problem with Strikers. While I agree there were some awkward bits (mostly the whole political side could have been established way better), I enjoyed that Nanoha is one of the few series that actually attempts to have the child heroine grow up and pass the torch to the next generation (sort of). You don't get that very often. And I don't think it has been done all too badly. The only thing aside from the political issues that I may criticize about Strikers would be the relative uselessness of Hayate despite her status of SS-rank. I mean, almost all the main cast got a cool scene in the final battle while Hayate with all her power barely got to do anything. |
Hayate is mostly infamous for having so much raw power yet lacking in actual talent (due to not being born with said power) as to only be able to fire barely controllable nukes and nothing else. She can't even aim properly without help, and she can't tone her output down to compensate either. She's really just there as field commander and emergency nuke.
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MysticMew
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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:55 am
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I am aware of that and I can live with it mostly. But I wished something would have been found for her to do in a reasonable manner. All she got to do was shoot down some gadgets.
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natchu96
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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:57 am
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Shame that the Cradle was probably nuke-proof eh? I guess more focused power is the only thing that would punch through.
Which makes me wonder whether she ever thinks it'd be really sweet if her new device had Starlight Breaker on it.
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MysticMew
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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:13 am
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Technically there is no proof that it doesn't. The spells are stored in the book after all, so it's debatable whether she can use the ones absorbed by the Book of Darkness or not...
But yeah, the Cradle was pretty much as much SSS or higher in terms of defense. What might have been cool for Hayate to do, could have been to expand some effort in slowing it down with a very powerful spell. Might not have done much but at least it would have been a worthy moment to see.
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MajinAkuma
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:39 pm
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| msgundam2 wrote: | | I love mecha anime. Especially when the mecha is replace with magical girls.
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Don't mess with the White Devil's daughter. |
Unfortunately, ViVid has less to do with mecha and has more to do with Street Fighter. Vivio has a Hadouken, a Shoryuken and a Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku.
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natchu96
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:04 am
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| MajinAkuma wrote: |
| msgundam2 wrote: | | I love mecha anime. Especially when the mecha is replace with magical girls.
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Don't mess with the White Devil's daughter. |
Unfortunately, ViVid has less to do with mecha and has more to do with Street Fighter. Vivio has a Hadouken, a Shoryuken and a Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku. |
Let's not forget the girl (and her ancestors) who could wipe out armies on a regular basis while unarmed . . . when everybody else is shooting each other and nuking things.
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MajinAkuma
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:41 am
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| natchu96 wrote: |
| MajinAkuma wrote: |
| msgundam2 wrote: | | I love mecha anime. Especially when the mecha is replace with magical girls.
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Don't mess with the White Devil's daughter. |
Unfortunately, ViVid has less to do with mecha and has more to do with Street Fighter. Vivio has a Hadouken, a Shoryuken and a Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku. |
Let's not forget the girl (and her ancestors) who could wipe out armies on a regular basis while unarmed . . . when everybody else is shooting each other and nuking things. |
It's Black Rock Shooter!
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MajinAkuma
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:44 am
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| darkchibi07 wrote: | |
On another note, how shounen tournament-y is this title? |
The tournament is not that classic. The tournament is mostly about the preliminaries because all members of Team Nakajima are defeated there. The only "main character" who advanced further than Team Nakajima is Miura, who is more or less the true Nanoha-expy in that series.
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Mr. Oshawott
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:17 am
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| MajinAkuma wrote: | | Unfortunately, ViVid has less to do with mecha and has more to do with Street Fighter. Vivio has a Hadouken, a Shoryuken and a Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku. |
For a fairer comparision, I think the Vivid season of MGL Nanoha would be most similar to Variable Geo.
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natchu96
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:19 am
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| MajinAkuma wrote: |
| darkchibi07 wrote: | |
On another note, how shounen tournament-y is this title? |
The tournament is not that classic. The tournament is mostly about the preliminaries because all members of Team Nakajima are defeated there. The only "main character" who advanced further than Team Nakajima is Miura, who is more or less the true Nanoha-expy in that series. |
Well, plot-wise she's more the Hayate expy (Yagami dojo ftw) being that girl that shows up way later and ends up being seemingly elevated to main-character status. Power set-wise, though, she is definitely the true Nanoha-expy due to melee Breaker magic shenanigans. The moves Vivio shares with Nanoha are honestly few in number if not less than Subaru's number of Nanoha-moves . . .
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MajinAkuma
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:38 am
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| natchu96 wrote: |
| MajinAkuma wrote: |
| darkchibi07 wrote: | |
On another note, how shounen tournament-y is this title? |
The tournament is not that classic. The tournament is mostly about the preliminaries because all members of Team Nakajima are defeated there. The only "main character" who advanced further than Team Nakajima is Miura, who is more or less the true Nanoha-expy in that series. |
Well, plot-wise she's more the Hayate expy (Yagami dojo ftw) being that girl that shows up way later and ends up being seemingly elevated to main-character status. Power set-wise, though, she is definitely the true Nanoha-expy due to melee Breaker magic shenanigans. The moves Vivio shares with Nanoha are honestly few in number if not less than Subaru's number of Nanoha-moves . . . |
Not only power-wise. Miura's backstory is similar to Nanoha's. Both had an ordinary life (except that they live in completely different worlds), and they were very unhappy with their lives and they seemed to be depressed about not having any talents/reasons to live, until they encountered Strike Arts/magic. They are natural talents with a lot of potential, became quickly strong and they have a star theme, a similar magic color and Breaker magic. Both also defeated people who were stronger or more experienced than them, thanks to be determinators.
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