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Hardgear
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 Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 3:51 pm
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Same thing happens here in the west when someone becomes persona non grata. WWE tried to remove all mention of Hulk Hugan and Chris Benoit from their history for instance. So apparently doing one (admittedly very) bad thing is enough to completely erase all your past accomplishments in the modern world.
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H. Guderian
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:09 pm
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| Lili-Hime wrote: | | On one hand, the purity culture in Japan can seem a bit unforgiving and their drug laws perhaps a bit harsh. On the other hand, I wonder about America and how it's probably not good that our culture gives fame and elevated celebrity status to people who do some extreme things. A middle ground would be nice. |
I'm with ya there. While I think Japan is often overboard with Purity, I remember in my school days a few more Pure role models couldn't have hurt.
Imagine all the stuff Justin Beiber did/does and how his career keeps going, and I stop to wonder if maybe his caretakers would stop protecting him and I'm gonna say it, "oh won't somebody please think of the children?"
Extremes are usually bad places.
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Souther
Joined: 22 Feb 2015
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:19 pm
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| Hardgear wrote: | | Same thing happens here in the west when someone becomes persona non grata. WWE tried to remove all mention of Hulk Hugan and Chris Benoit from their history for instance. So apparently doing one (admittedly very) bad thing is enough to completely erase all your past accomplishments in the modern world. |
I dunno, I'd say they removed Benoit from history for a pretty good reason. I'd argue Hogan's remarks were a bit more severe than Takabe doing drugs as well, though IMO, Hogan's old and wasn't really doing much wrestling-wise, so they could easily afford to make an example out of him.
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Hoppy800
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:21 pm
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| Hardgear wrote: | | Same thing happens here in the west when someone becomes persona non grata. WWE tried to remove all mention of Hulk Hugan and Chris Benoit from their history for instance. So apparently doing one (admittedly very) bad thing is enough to completely erase all your past accomplishments in the modern world. |
None of those were as a petty as simple drug possession though, unless your market is young children and the violation is something really serious, expect to bounce back eventually.
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Hameyadea
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:06 pm
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I think that the Japanese response is meant to shame/guilt-trip the accused (since, as noted in the article, just being arrested for allegations as part of following procedures is as good as a conviction), and by nonperson-ing the accused, they are basically telling that those who break the law should feel bad, if not for their own sake, then for their co-workers', whose livelihood and contributions were affected as well.
Whether or not it's an effective, or reasonable, course of action is a different tree to climb on, though.
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Kadmos1
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:30 pm
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I would say that pulling discs off the shelves is outrageous. Yes, what she did was wrong, however, she still has her fan base. From a sales standpoint, they are risking losing a lot of sales.
However, if she was convicted of kiddy porn like Scott Freeman, I could see this being more justified in trying to distance yourself from said person. However, DxD still might sell well for Funi.
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Mr. Oshawott
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:59 pm
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As harsh as the negative reaction towards Ai Takabe is concerning her drug apprehension, I think it's good for the long run, as it reminds the others that are in the idol/acting industry that there are repercussions for your bad decisions that they may make in their private lives. In the U.S., there are plenty of celebrities that do plenty of questionable stuff and the public generally seems indifferent and/or relishing of it.
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Razzuel
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:23 pm
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This just frustrates and saddens me. Not to mention some of the ridiculous comments in here and from the news article discussion. Too many people hear drug use and then immediately lump that person in with killers; as if all drug users must be evil and deserve to be punished severely. God forbid anyone ever stray from society's expectation that we must all be perfect and never make mistakes.
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Aoi_Nagase
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:06 pm
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| Mr. Oshawott wrote: | | As harsh as the negative reaction towards Ai Takabe is concerning her drug apprehension, I think it's good for the long run, as it reminds the others that are in the idol/acting industry that there are repercussions for your bad decisions that they may make in their private lives. In the U.S., there are plenty of celebrities that do plenty of questionable stuff and the public generally seems indifferent and/or relishing of it. |
I agree. Famous people are still human. They are not God who are allowed to do anything as they please. It also happened many times in anime, that someone was treated coldly by everyone after doing something very bad. We need to remember that a single bad thing you do, no matter how worse it is, can crumble all the effort you made for years in just one second.
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Sloppy_Jimbo
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:07 pm
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Celebrities as role models...Mind officially blown. My day job is getting reimbursement for chemical dependency programs. She needs to be treated for her disease, not treated as a heinous criminal.
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configspace
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:21 pm
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Alcohol and tobacco are drugs too. So why isn't the entire adult population there in jail?
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Lili-Hime
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:28 pm
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| H. Guderian wrote: | |
I'm with ya there. While I think Japan is often overboard with Purity, I remember in my school days a few more Pure role models couldn't have hurt. |
Definitely it's a balance. Stuff like drug addiction shouldn't be demonized or glamorized; it's just a sickness. That said I wish more celebrities would realize that whether they like it or not, they ARE role models.
| configspace wrote: | | Alcohol and tobacco are drugs too. So why isn't the entire adult population there in jail? |
She had cocaine which is scientifically proven to be more addictive and harmful than either alcohol or tobacco; second only to heroin. It's not like she was caught with marijuana or something. All the more reason she needs treatment
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Eisenmann V
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:37 pm
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[quote="Actar"]
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Also, this idea of not being able to separate a voice actor from the work has been previously discussed. |
It's a bit of a different story when it's a personal crime rather than one that assaults someone else, in my opinion. I'm not really sure why someone like Victor Salva is still getting work, but someone charged with drug possession shouldn't really need more than rehab appropriate to helping them fight that chemical dependency.
| XChampion wrote: | | In America you can have mulitple DUIs and still make millions of dollars as a singer or actor in America but the Japanese want nothing to do with that and I like it. |
I can see withdrawing work personally connected to the offending artist, but removing entire shows just because this one person appeared in it seems incredibly petty.
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BadNewsBlues
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:50 pm
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| Lili-Hime wrote: | | that said I wish more celebrities would realize that whether they like it or not, they ARE role models. |
Just because they might be considered role models even if they don't wanna be that doesn't mean they should be forced to live a lifestyle they don't wanna live especially since different cultures have different expectations of people in public positions.
| XChampion wrote: | | Imagine what american artists would learn if american companies did this to them. Oh wait they wont because its all about the money. In America you can have mulitple DUIs and still make millions of dollars as a singer or actor in America but the Japanese want nothing to do with that and I like it. |
There's nothing to like about this considering it's incredibly excessive to say nothing of being outdated (by American standards). So she was arrested in possession of drugs why is she being ostracized and publicly shamed as if she was caught in possession of Child Pornography?
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KymeraDS
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:16 pm
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| Quote: | | In Asia, it is expected that "talent" (singers/actors/show hosts/etc.) should be role models for society at large. |
Except Philippines.
The list would be long if completed, but there are lots of actors who are corrupt - if not inept - public officials. There's even an actress who's promoting being a mistress.
That shouldn't come as a surprise. Philippines is Asian only by geography. For all other purposes, it is practically a 3rd-world version of America.
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