×
  • remind me tomorrow
  • remind me next week
  • never remind me
Subscribe to the ANN Newsletter • Wake up every Sunday to a curated list of ANN's most interesting posts of the week. read more

Forum - View topic
The Stories Behind the Servants of Fate/stay Night


Goto page Previous  1, 2

 Note: this is the discussion thread for this article
Anime News Network Forum Index -> Site-related -> Talkback
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Azmodeus



Joined: 08 Feb 2007
Posts: 185
Location: Sweden, ass end of nowhere
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:53 pm Reply with quote
Merxamers wrote:
, i have a question related to her gender that i don't recall ever being addressed in the FSN and F/Z anime; was her gender a secret to most people while she was king? In F/Z, spoiler[Berserker only ever called her "Arthur"], no one from that time ever seems to mention her gender, but i can only assume her wife Guinevere had a SLIGHT HUNCH her husband wasn't a dude.


If memory serves, Merlin gave her a glamour that mad her appear like a guy. So as far as Brittain knew , she was male. As for Guinevere, she was a trans guy in the Nasuverse. And i think he, Mordred and Morgan Le Faye knew.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
JacobC
ANN Contributor


Joined: 15 Jan 2008
Posts: 3728
Location: SoCal
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:05 pm Reply with quote
Azmodeus wrote:
Merxamers wrote:
, i have a question related to her gender that i don't recall ever being addressed in the FSN and F/Z anime; was her gender a secret to most people while she was king? In F/Z, spoiler[Berserker only ever called her "Arthur"], no one from that time ever seems to mention her gender, but i can only assume her wife Guinevere had a SLIGHT HUNCH her husband wasn't a dude.


If memory serves, Merlin gave her a glamour that mad her appear like a guy. So as far as Brittain knew , she was male. As for Guinevere, she was a trans guy in the Nasuverse. And i think he, Mordred and Morgan Le Faye knew.


As a trans guy, I am 110% certain you are using that descriptor wrong.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website My Anime
SaitoHajime101



Joined: 31 Mar 2013
Posts: 285
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:24 am Reply with quote
Always been a fan of the Fate series. The biggest part of the intrigue for me is seeing what the writers do to make each legend fit within the verse. Not always perfect, but it actually makes a ton of sense to me. Maybe it's just me, but I always have fun untying convoluted messes. It's like during Christmas when I pull out the lights. Always had fun untangling that mess Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jl07045



Joined: 30 Aug 2011
Posts: 1527
Location: Riga, Latvia
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:34 am Reply with quote
Her gender was secret from country at large. Her relatives and Merlin knew and iirc most of the knights suspected it or didn't care.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Merxamers



Joined: 09 Dec 2013
Posts: 720
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:33 pm Reply with quote
JacobC wrote:
Azmodeus wrote:

If memory serves, Merlin gave her a glamour that mad her appear like a guy. So as far as Brittain knew , she was male. As for Guinevere, she was a trans guy in the Nasuverse. And i think he, Mordred and Morgan Le Faye knew.


As a trans guy, I am 110% certain you are using that descriptor wrong.


So... was Guinevere a biological woman who identified as a man, or a biological man who identified as a woman? Cool either way, it's just I've already been introduced to the concept of a "magical pseudophallus" so i want to be clear on the details while i'm trying to process that
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Emdykay



Joined: 14 Nov 2017
Posts: 85
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:41 pm Reply with quote
Azmodeus wrote:
As for Guinevere, she was a trans guy in the Nasuverse.


No, Guinevere was just a plain woman.
To my knowledge the Fate franchise, or the Nasuverse at large, while being comparatively chill about gender and sexuality, does not actually include any transgender characters, at least ones confirming to what modern western ideology understands of transgender, more nonconforming characters.
Astolfo is rather crossdressing with a "who cares about gender anyway" attitude, Da Vinci is a similar case being dismissive of gender an prefers to run around as, what in his perception is the pinnacle of aesthetic and beauty, the Mona Lisa, with a rather pragmatic and matter of fact approach to his selfidentification as female afterwards, and d'Eon is treated as a very effeminate guy.
But there is no character that is biologically one sex and rather identifies as the opposite based on conventional ideas of male and female.

Oh, first post here after years of reading btw. Hello World.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Azmodeus



Joined: 08 Feb 2007
Posts: 185
Location: Sweden, ass end of nowhere
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:27 pm Reply with quote
Huh, seems i missremembered Guineverse's gender. Strange, i could have sworn both parties gender where reversed in that marriage.
Anyhow, at least Merxamers got a pretty definitive answer to their question.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
GarethXL





PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:28 pm Reply with quote
Azmodeus wrote:
Huh, seems i missremembered Guineverse's gender. Strange, i could have sworn both parties gender where reversed in that marriage.
Anyhow, at least Merxamers got a pretty definitive answer to their question.


Nope Guinevere is a normal woman, but due to both of them being woman producing a heir would be a little problem, so Merlin use magic to give arthoria a dick so she can get it on.

And that's why anybody that plays fate grand order(jp) Merlin's nickname is cock wizard
Back to top
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Anime News Network Forum Index -> Site-related -> Talkback All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2
Page 2 of 2

 


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group