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Zalis116
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Not sure if actively lying, or merely lazy. They could've included a second DVD with the Japanese version. Or they could've done dual-sided DVDs with the English version on one side, and the Japanese version on the other. That's what the Sherlock Hound DVDs did when the Japanese and English versions didn't synch up properly. That's what Hollywood did to put fullscreen and widescreen versions of the same movie on one disc in the early 2000s. It's also what a British Pride and Prejudice miniseries did to fit 5 ~50-minute episodes on one disc. Maybe Nozomi's LE version will be expensive enough to cancel out the savings of reverse importing, and we won't have to contend with hardsubs or other damaging restrictions. Kind of like how Aniplex USA's discs don't necessarily have locked subtitles, unlike the cheaper releases from Funimation/Sentai et al.
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Top Gun
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Reeeally getting tired of absurd reverse-importation paranoia messing with overseas releases. Maybe try getting your own house in order instead of taking it out on us, Japan.
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SheRrIs
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They should have trolled the licensor and released both language versions on DVD, just without subtitles.
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AtoMan
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I wonder. Some licensors require that, if you choose subtitled option, you cannot disable subs in any way... which can be done on DVDs pretty easily just by locking up the option. I wonder if Shout! tried to present that as an option.
This is so wrong on many levels, really. No, not everyone has BluRay players. If anything, people are moving away from physical discs to streaming (or pirated content). Disc releases are a niche already, and BluRays are, globally, a niche within a niche. Sales of BDs are falling faster than DVDs. Not to mention it's much more expensive to author and release a BluRay - the process is more complicated, requires different technology and there are pretty big license fees attached to BluRay pressing. Which is why smaller releases rely on professionally copied BD-Rs which can be produced cheaper and in smaller amounts. |
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Sakura Shinguji
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Agreed. I'm actually not 100% certain what they think they mean or are trying to convey anyway. To cover a couple more possible ways they're lying or lazy: If they're trying to refer to space, it's just a movie. You can fit the length of 2 movies on a standard DVD-9 with no appreciable A/V quality concerns. If they're trying to refer to the actual subtitles, you can lock subtitles on a DVD. Sentai and Funimation are actively doing so more frequently, in addition to their Blu-ray releases. If they're trying to refer to not being able to lock some subtitles and not others on a DVD (i.e. soft subs for the song+sign track for the English version, and hard subs for the Japanese version), you can do that too. Bandai Entertainment's DVD release of the Love Hina Christmas special for some bizarre reason had this exact situation; you could actively toggle the subs off, but some would still remain regardless. I feel like they screwed up and are hoping they can handwave it away with an explanation that people will accept without questioning, or because it sounds just technical enough to be legit. Plot twist: it's having the opposite effect and drawing more attention. |
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DangerMouse
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Yeah, like Mattman243 said too, it's such a ridiculous requirement from the Japanese side in this day and age. Feels like they think we are still back in the VHS days when they do this kind of locked subs or hard-coded subs requirement. Especially since it's just because their Japanese domestic releases are so expensive. |
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FireChick
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Wow. That requirement is really stupid, and at the expense of the original language, too! Man, I sure am glad I wound up buying the Blu-Ray version, though I am gonna get the Deluxe Edition come May. Eh, I like this movie, so I'll still support Eleven Arts either way.
While I don't know much about disc releases impacting the industry in general nowadays, I still buy a lot of physical copies of shows and movies, mostly because I want to have them for myself and maybe share them with my friends and family or future children. I only got a Blu-Ray player last year on my birthday and am still getting used to it. |
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Animegomaniac
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I thought Dual layer and dual sided were interchangeable and that Dual sided was the outmoded version once manufacturers got the hang of the tech. Regular DVD: 4 GBs. Dual- regardless I believe: 8 GBs. Either way, this is not what the Japanese side wanted; they wanted encoded subs on the image to make the product the undesirable one for Japanese importers, regardless if its BD or DVD. This has been an unfortunate fact I've learned myself with many sub only DVDs being sold these that are in fact hard coded... though it'd be nice if they were labeled as such. The physical market is just THAT bad these days.... They could have just locked in the subtitles in but that's not what the Japanese producers wanted, they wanted the image itself to be ruined. |
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AtoMan
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DVD-9 is an option, but distributors these days like to crank up the bitrate of both video and audio to the maximum, so two versions might not fit on one disc.
Still, producing two-disc DVD release is still much cheaper than one BD. |
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Kazemon15
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So no subtitle for hearing impaired for the dub-only DVD and locked in the BD. Once again, hard of hearing and deaf fans are left out.
And before people once again start saying "just watch it in Japanese", I should have a say in how I watch my anime and I perfer english dub eith caption or subtitles on. Wanted to see this, but I guess Im passing. |
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CatSword
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Seems...counterproductive? Japan and the US don't share a DVD region, but they do share a Blu-ray region.
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Blanchimont
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Actually, the hard-coded onto the image likely only applies to the DVD here and the BD only has 'locked' subs, based on the encoding details of a recent rip of the US BD release of Maquia mentioned here. With right software, 'locked' subs are no problem, stand-alone players aside. |
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IanC
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Probably did, and the licensor remained stubborn on the "hard coded on the video track" side. And depending on how high they wanted the bit rate, squeezing the second video track onto the dvd might have killed the quality. |
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hissatsu01
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Nope. Then Japanese version on the disc has subs that are hard-encoded into the video. No way to remove them and no subtitle track at all. There is a PGS sub track on the English version, but that's the track for the hearing impaired, so it is of course a "dubtitle" of the English dub and includes sound effects. This is a marvelously screwed up release. |
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kotomikun
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They might have actually gone so far as to "burn" them into the video, instead of just locking the subtitle option and not putting it in the menu; not sure if there's an easy way to tell without ripping the disc. Though, once you do that, all you have to do is play the English video with the Japanese audio, and no more subtitles. So... I'm not sure what they thought re-compressing the video was going to accomplish. The group of people who reverse-import anime but don't know how to rip a blu-ray must be pretty small. Maybe they were hoping the Japanese track would be removed from both versions. |
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