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Velorien



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:28 pm Reply with quote
Small but important mistranslation in the article: the post about Luke reads "Incidentally, Luke lives at the girls' dorm too. He causes a fair amount of problems at that." (My emphasis.)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:31 pm Reply with quote
Considering the series uses the body of a slave on sale in the market as a convenient excuse for a harem-and-penis-size joke, I'm not exactly shocked to hear this is the unreflective way the author imagines Rudy viewing slavery. Man, there's so much about this series to love -- it was really one of the best shows of the last few years for the, like, 10 episodes where it steered away from sex and slavery and leaned into world-building and the towering, mysterious terrors of its world. I hate that at its lows it sinks this low.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:34 pm Reply with quote
So the summary is "Rudy knows slavery is wrong (in his world) but it may be Good in This World so he doesn't do anything".
Like ok, I get it but also that also feels like such a bs explanation.
I don't watch the series nor have any real interest in it (and am probably more aligned with the hater side) but I was kinda hoping for a slightly more interesting response. Even "he hates slavery but at current he knows he is powerless to do anything to stop it" would be better than "maybe it's okay in this world and actually the slaves are happy to be slaves and have better lives now"
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:34 pm Reply with quote
Look, I get that this is a product from a country that doesn't have the same history with slavery as North America. I also get that part of the appeal of anime is that American standards and practices don't exist in Japan and therefore we get stories and characters we would never see out here otherwise, hence why Mushoku Tensei is such a big hit.

But everyone has their limits. Poor depictions of slavery is one of mine and it's far too prevalent in the fantasy genre. I can't force these writers to adhere to my personal tastes but I can certainly voice my disapproval. I can also declare that my fantasies don't include slavery and even if they did, it sure as hell wouldn't be fetishized.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:45 pm Reply with quote
Romuska wrote:
Look, I get that this is a product from a country that doesn't have the same history with slavery as North America. I also get that part of the appeal of anime is that American standards and practices don't exist in Japan and therefore we get stories and characters we would never see out here otherwise, hence why Mushoku Tensei is such a big hit.


They have a much more recent history of slavery. Look at WWII and Imperial Japan's actions. Slavery is the reason why most of the non Japanese killed by the atomic bombs were in the blast radius. About 70,000 Korean slaves brought into support the war effort effected by the Hiroshima blast alone.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:51 pm Reply with quote
Thank you, very cool ANN.

Now the people that wasn't sure about dropping this series can do it easily.

Meanwhile I'm gonna keep enjoying more Mushoku content.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:54 pm Reply with quote
I think this is a narrative excuse.

I don't watch this, but, since Rudy is an isekai protagonist I suppose he is strong, strong enough to try to change the world, this would be highly time consuming and the author would not be able to write what he wants.

So, he NEEDS to claim he is apathetic towards it, or else he would need to send Rudy in a long road to try and succeed or fail in the endeavor.

Of course, the REAL answer would be to not to add slavery to your plot, that way you don't need to make this excuse.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:56 pm Reply with quote
People need to grow up and just accept that bad things happen in a fictional story. Its not real, it can't hurt you.
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Why would 'growing up' involve not engaging critically with the media you watch? Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:06 pm Reply with quote
Romuska wrote:
Look, I get that this is a product from a country that doesn't have the same history with slavery as North America. I also get that part of the appeal of anime is that American standards and practices don't exist in Japan and therefore we get stories and characters we would never see out here otherwise, hence why Mushoku Tensei is such a big hit.

But everyone has their limits. Poor depictions of slavery is one of mine and it's far too prevalent in the fantasy genre. I can't force these writers to adhere to my personal tastes but I can certainly voice my disapproval. I can also declare that my fantasies don't include slavery and even if they did, it sure as hell wouldn't be fetishized.


This is a common misconception, I think. Japan has had a history of slavery going back to pre-modern times. This affected Korean and Chinese people and Japanese people within Japan.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:24 pm Reply with quote
It's always stupid when authors try to justify slavery in their works with some half-assed "oh it's normal in that world" or "their lives are totally better, totally." I would unironically respect an author more who just straight up said "this shit's my fetish."
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:35 pm Reply with quote
Minos_Kurumada wrote:
I think this is a narrative excuse.

I don't watch this, but, since Rudy is an isekai protagonist I suppose he is strong, strong enough to try to change the world, this would be highly time consuming and the author would not be able to write what he wants.

So, he NEEDS to claim he is apathetic towards it, or else he would need to send Rudy in a long road to try and succeed or fail in the endeavor.

Of course, the REAL answer would be to not to add slavery to your plot, that way you don't need to make this excuse.

Actually, while Rudeus is indeed very strong, one of the themes of the series is that there is always a bigger fish, and if Rudeus makes it a question of violence, slave traders as a community could definitely afford to hire one or more of them to take down a critical threat to their business.

Of course, in reality this is a moot point because Rudeus's life is about Rudeus and his loved ones. Apathy is the default for all strangers' fates, not just those of slaves.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:39 pm Reply with quote
The obvious problem here, first and foremost, is that the writer is claiming he "can't enforce his own ideals" onto the fantasy world he created. My brother in Christ, you wrote the world in the first place.

It's absolutely stomach-turning to me how much isekai has okayed slavery for fun and profit in recent years.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:42 pm Reply with quote
If this isn't bad enough spoiler[wait until he sexually assaults two girls in the next one.] I really like the world building and if anything I like having adult themes, but the horrible stuff Rudy does makes me wonder how broken the author is.

Edit: added spoiler tags. Errinundra.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:50 pm Reply with quote
Velorien wrote:
Actually, while Rudeus is indeed very strong, one of the themes of the series is that there is always a bigger fish, and if Rudeus makes it a question of violence, slave traders as a community could definitely afford to hire one or more of them to take down a critical threat to their business.

Of course, in reality this is a moot point because Rudeus's life is about Rudeus and his loved ones. Apathy is the default for all strangers' fates, not just those of slaves.

Well. this is a better explanation, dunno why the author didn't use it.
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