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Turtleboy76
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Obviously respect is important, but man, cons brings out all the horny nerds, its actually surprising how many of these "objectified cosplayers" are actually pretty keen for hook-ups. It is almost a kink for them. I wont gloat about my experiences, but boy its more common than youd think and hey, if thats what they want then i say go hard.
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Nekbone
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I haven't been to a convention since the pandemic but usually conventions section that stuff off to an 18+ areas and rooms that require 18+ badges/wristbands and/or ID. I'm sure some of the smaller and less organized conventions might slack on policing that but unless things have changed since I last went to something like AnimeExpo that wasn't really true. Hentai booths are usually in the exhibition hall and if that stuff isn't at the appropriate spaces like some artist in artist alley trying to pull a fast one and not list they have R18 stuff on their application and then trying to sneak it in you can usually report it and they'll have to take it down or get kicked out. |
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totallypippin
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lol yup, it's a thing. Anime NYC like 3 years ago had a woman with cat ears and tail and almost nothing on walking around with a list of prices for having her step on you, spit on you, to touch her feet, etc. She barely wore anything and she was doing this on the main show floor where all the big publisher booths and exhibits were. It was super cringe. |
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totallypippin
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So I wanna start off by saying that 1) great article about consent. love it.
But I'd also like to point out that some cons don't really separate the 18+ section. I've only really been to Anime NYC, but I go every year and they try to keep 18+ next to each other, but they fail at this. Fakku! is next to a hentai doujin booth, which works great, but then there's the hentai game retailer towards the front of the show floor. They censor their items, but that doesn't stop prying eyes all the time. Plus some sellers just happen to have it. Thankfully these booths card you before you can browse the stuff. Cosplayers should always be respected and asked whether they are cool with certain acts are cool for the purpose of pictures. I also believe that sex workers are amongst these fans at the con. Maybe cons should actually have an 18+ area that is restricted so sellers and sex workers can who off their stuff and network in a safe environment. Idk. I'd love to see more 18+ stuff at the cons, but i also understand they're trying to be "family friendly". |
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onpufan
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Well, if it's stuff like that I think it should be pretty obvious why conventions don't want this kind of stuff in areas lots of minors frequent and attend. All it takes is for a 17 year old to do this or for someone to do it to a 17 year old and cause a huge legal issue. I'm all for doujins and porn but I've never really felt the need to do this kind of stuff in public. Seems like a exhibitionist thing. |
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EmbraceMe
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I also haven't been to conventions since the pandemic so things may have changed. I think it depends on the location, for a bigger venue like AnimeExpo when I went in 2018, the 18+ section was closed off by black curtains and people presented their IDs to enter. The Fakku booth also required ID to enter and had wooden walls to prevent prying eyes. AnimeNYC, the first three years, didn't have a sanctioned off (18+) area IIRC. I'm not sure if Fakku was there the first year but the other years their space was wide open along with another Japanese H-Manga/Doujinshi booth/importer (?) [Hen da ne, I believe]. They did ID you when you wanted to browse and if there were any unsanctimonious items, it was usually covered with post-it notes. Javits Center is a lot smaller than the LA Convention Center, so this probably explains how they handle things. My memory is bad now, but I'm pretty sure other conventions like Oni-Con (Galveston, Houston), AnimeMatsuri (Houston), and Anime Boston handle things like AnimeNYC. |
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Joe Mello
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While Anime Expo is an outlier in what it takes in (probably on the order of $15-$20 million per year), quite a few others seven-figures and even 500k isn't hard to reach. The money is likely there, but the personnel is untrained and carries many of the same mentalities of the attendees, which can be too often described as immature. A solution from the event-side could be possible, but it would be complex and almost definitely need to start with a more--for lack of a better term--corporate mindset and structure. I can definitely appreciate the need to define sex work even on the convention floor and the phrase "Cosplay Is Not Consent" is Exhibit A as to why it's needed. |
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Blood-
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I clearly have lived a very sheltered anime convention life. Mind you, I've only ever been to two: Anime North several times and FanExpo (which is only partially dedicated to anime). None of the fun stuff mentioned in the article or this thread seemed to be going on. What a rip, man. |
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prime_pm
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I've attended Otakon 22 consecutive times now (not counting 2020 when covid hit the world and 2022 when covid hit me). Only other conventions I've been to were Balticon, one weekend at AnimeUSA, a day at Animore, Comic Con, and the last Bronycon just to do a panel. Oh and Johncon if you wanna count that.
Needless to say: I'm old. And being around so many young'uns at many of these places ('cept Balticon) just makes me feel older. Older and frankly alone because I have fewer people to connect with anymore. Sometimes I would just like to attend a convention without having to worry whether I have a right to be there. To easily converse with other patrons on an equal wavelength. Besides, I only go to Otakon anymore to do a panel (and get in for free) and I am tapped out of ideas. I think I'm just...done. Seriously, I was thinking of doing a History of Adult Video Games panel. Call it Chicken & Beans. |
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Stelman257
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Are you ok. Edit: Thanks for the cleanup mods Last edited by Stelman257 on Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:37 am; edited 1 time in total |
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kgw
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Hey, me too! I only do panels because I still love my hobby and I am NOT paying dozens of Euros for a convention spoiler[that I had a small part in creating.] Anime and manga conventions are widely regarded as 'family friendly' spaces where parents and their young children, teenagers and their friends can have fun, Having said that, I don't really feel the NEED to have "adult spaces" outside of their "natural" places, where any adult man/woman would know where to go if they wanted to. It's fine to be a sexy Yor Briar/Forger cosplayer (or whoever), but any adult sex work should NOT take place in a non-specialized space, specially one whose main demographic is kids and teenagers. |
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T3rmidor
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I'am against any form of sex work by principle, but if it neds to happen, it should be on it's own spaces and not on conferences where minors or persons that don't want to be involve with attend.
I will also say that the article was scatter all around the place and was hard to follow what the main point was, as well as the obvious of not asking if anime itself may also reinforced certain sexists conducts. |
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BadNewsBlues
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Probably going to regret asking this but why? |
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GWOtaku
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Reading this was quite the experience. Just so we're clear - there is no version of the universe where "adult" content is not "shoved into a corner" at a general event and that general event is *more* welcoming when the general event's barrier to entry is being 13 years old. More transparency and a very broad definition for this content are discussed as positive things that could happen and yet that effectively means making this stuff *more* siloed and cut off, not less. This one person in the article talks as if being "shoved into a corner" is a problem to deal with when that's actually more like the answer. The issue is that it isn't siloed *enough*.
So transparency yes, more visibility no. Frankly I care much more about the comfort of a 13 year old than the grown 30 year old who wants to pose without any clothes on, as it happens. If they don't like the restrictions, they can go to an "adult only" event. Full stop. Edit: there is definitely a problem with adult content in dealer rooms that isn't consistent, by the way. To this day Media Blasters and other vendors have hentai on display in the open, mixed in with everything else. If I had it my way, that would be more restricted and put out of the way as well. Intentional or otherwise there is hypocrisy in how policy treats things. That calls for a more sensible enforcement of the policy, not less restriction. |
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Avec ou Nous
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This is my general feelings on the subject. And it being people who just don't care about others and just want to do whatever they want is the most charitable reading I can think of. Less charitable readings that I even feel comfortable talking about would be the way tobacco and vape companies targeted kids to foster a new generation of addicts aka revenue source for them. It's basically what happened with Twitch and how a lot of women just use it to advertise their OnlyFans now and it's been completely normalized to expose kids to that stuff. I can understand why limiting this stuff to a corner of a convention is bad for business and doesn't allow room for much promotion and growth for their career and why they would hate it, but I personally prefer prioritizing minor safety and health. |
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