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NewAgeNewtype
Posts: 15 Location: Hyperbolic Time Chamber |
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No guys, you don't understand. THE FANSUBS
While I like 009-1 quite a bit, can't disagree with it being a dumb choice. The cost is probably due to the Shotaro Ishinomori name. Now I gotta wonder how much Skull Man, Kikaider and Cyborg 009 cost. |
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TJ_Kat
Posts: 370 Location: Saskatoon, Canada |
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By taking back all the licenses, why would ADV owe ARM (and later FUNimation) anything? You default on your mortgage, your lender takes your house away, but you don't have to keep paying for the mortgage anymore.
I realize taking the licenses back doesn't exactly amount to the same thing since some titles had already been released for a while so you'd expect some money to be owed for them, but most certainly not the full amount. |
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bradc
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Some the titles they had were decent and good; certainly it weren't the best. Coming from ADV, they really did a poor job in putting these series out mostly from product and distribution line. ADV can't make money back, the company been dead years ago.... They still exist only for the old catalog and money transfers from one company to another. Given the fact, they are poorly mismanage distributor. Bargaining or bribing from under the table and some convincing??? |
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Razzuel
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I find this absolutely fascinating. One, because we rarely, if ever, hear about licensing costs, and two, because they paid $1 million for Kurau.
Kurau is one of my favorite anime ever, and I'm probably the biggest Kurau fan that exists, but I can't imagine why they paid $1 million for it. I guess everyone involved thought it was going to be a big hit? Even though it should have been more popular given its quality, it probably didn't help that ADV marketed it as an action series about a bounty hunter/mercenary; they should have advertised it as what it actually is — a sci-fi character drama. Also, I'm curious how this list compares to the rest of ADV's catalog, and I'd love to know how these costs compare to today's licensing costs. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever hear the answers to these questions. |
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Prede
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I wonder if people either completely skipped over my post, or read it and felt ignoring me made more sense. You can disagree with ADV's claim, sure. But to ignore it entirely is wrong I think.
 No one has blamed fansubs (yet?). While that has an overall effect to the market collapsing when it did, that's not the issue at hand, nor is anyone saying that it is. Everything I quoted was on the texas court's website. You can make an account and see for yourself. I did input my opinion, and said when I did that however
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ajr
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I agree that it's interesting to see how the license fees vary rather widely between the titles. Also, chalk me up as another person who liked Kurau (and it's really cheap right now), although I'm pretty sure that was a huge loss for whoever eventually wound/winds up with the bill.
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victor viper
 Posts: 630 Location: The deep south |
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It could very well be that some of these titles were packaged together. For instance if Guyver was packaged together with UFO Ultramaiden Valkyire for $775,000, then the Guyver acquisition wouldn't be quite as absurd as it appears. Maybe as the discovery process goes forward, we'll get some actual sales numbers on some of these titles, and then things will get really interesting.
And I'm certainly no expert on contract law, but it seems that since the rights to distribute many of these titles transferred to Funimation, ADV could argue that Funi has already mitigated their damages. I suppose Funi could counter-argue that ADV continued to obtain revenue on some of these titles after they had missed certain payment deadlines, but making that case seems like it would be awfully difficult (or would require a lot of forensic accounting), and such a total would almost certainly fall well short of the figure Funi is seeking. Then again, even if the case were to settle for 1/10 of what Funi is seeking, that could be a very non-negligible cash infusion for the company in the current challenging economy. |
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bradc
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Guess we will never know... ADV's Live Action Adaption Film with Evangelion Movie that never happened. LOL |
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
 Posts: 3820 Location: Louisville, KY |
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very interesting indeed.. still funi should have read over the fine print before picking up the titles via licnese rescue. I am happy to have air on DVD with the movie "come on bluray release please" but still licensing is a nightmare...something I would never get into no matter what the pay would be. I prefer writing/reviewing over this any day.
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Splitter
 Posts: 1276 Location: Knockin' on Heaven's Door |
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How did Air end up being so conservative in costs? I thought the license for that would be far more lucrative, or is that because they waited until two years after the DVDs were out in Japan?
Wow, they got burned on Kurau... though I'm sure sitting on the license for three years didn't help matters. |
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Ranma824
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Wow, I had no idea Sojitz screwed over ADV so badly.
Underwaterrayromano and Air seem to be the best deals. |
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Prede
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Air and Magikano. Both were good sellers, and both were relatively cheap. |
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PurpleWarrior13
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I'm not saying ADV's not without their wrong doings as far as this scenario is concerned, but damn. They really were screwed over hard. I honestly think ADV's demise had little to do on the profit they made (or lack there of).
BTW, the Sgt. Frog numbers are based on the license for eps. 1-51, which is what FUNimation apparently got out of the initial deal (they licensed eps. 52-78 on their own). Since Sgt. Frog is such a long series (it's final episode count was at 358 eps), each ep was probably somewhat cheaper than usual (I guess. I'm not totally sure how incensing works). It's also possible these prices could be considered very large for what's usually paid, considering what when down in the Sojitz deal. |
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dragonrider_cody
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What does Saiyuki Reload have to do with ADV? They only released the first series. Anyway, I'm surprised it took ANN this long to report this. It's clear from those prices and the legal documents released that Sojitz had some serious conflicts of interest in their dealings with ADV. they chose what ADV licensed, how much they paid for it, how ADVs finances were managed and ultimately were the benefactors when ADV made payments back. This was a really terrible deal, so Ledford and company must have been pretty desperate or perhaps it was better the alternatives. These shows were overpriced even for 2006 and like Prede I can't see them spending nearly a million dollars on Kurau when they had passed in EoE. It just doesn't make any sense. |
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dragonrider_cody
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Considering that Sojitz somehow got involved in th licensing of the show, I'd say it's quite likely that the deal for the show fell through after ADV initially announced its acquisition. After all, ADV was right lipped about the show after their original announcement and nothing happened until the Sojitz deal. It seems that Sojitz/ARM later acquired the series for ADV and the renegotiation required could explain why it was more expensive. |
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