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sandpuck
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There are few choices based on my firm beliefs, and many based on I'm-gonna-vote-for-the-series-I-know-better or other shameful reasons. Anyway:
Group B-1 Edward Elric, Fullmetal Alchemist Group B-2 Natsume Takashi, Natsume Yūjin-Chō Group B-3 Fakir, Princess Tutu Group B-4 Nicholas Wolfwood, Trigun Group B-5 Astro Boy, Astro Boy Group B-6 Touma Kamijo, A Certain Magical Index (aka To Aru Majutsu no Index) Group B-7 Balsa, Moribito – Guardian of the Spirit Group B-8 Naruto Uzumaki, Naruto Group B-9 Iria, Iria - Zeiram The Animation Group B-10 Shurei Kou/Hong, The Story of Saiunkoku Group B-11 Noriko Takaya, Gunbuster Group B-12 Utena Tenjou, Revolutionary Girl Utena Group B-13 Roger Smith, The Big O Group B-14 Kazuma, s-CRY-ed Group B-15 Keiichi Maebara, When They Cry Group B-16 Vash the Stampede, Trigun |
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Mad_Scientist
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It's been a while since I've seen Scrapped Princess either, but I think you are essentially correct. Regarding whether Pacifica ever asks Shannon to kill her, I don't recall a scene like that occuring, though she definitely considers the possibility I believe. There is a scene later in the series where spoiler[Shannon asks Pacifica if she wants to live or die, and says if she'd rather die he'd kill her right then. After some thinking, Pacifica says that she wants to live. Neither of them are really sure what will happen when Pacifica turns 16 at that stage, but it's quite clear that as long as Pacifica still wants to live, Shannon is willing to take the chance that the world will be destroyed. I think at one point in the series he says something along the lines of "what good is the world if it won't even let my little sister live in it?" A great expression of love for his sister, but I suppose one could argue it isn't herioc.] On another note, with a little over 2 days left we currently have 25 votes in if my count is correct. Most of the matches are fairly one-sided now (as in the difference is 9 votes or more), but some are still fairly close. I think thse counts are accurate. Shurei Kou/Hong leads Saito Hiraga 13-12 Shannon Casull leads Keiichi Maebara 13-12 Noriko Takaya leads Juliet Capulet 14-11 Tohru Honda leads Roger Smith 14-11 Naruto Uzumaki leads Christmas 15-10 The fact that Keiichi has made such a comback is a pleasant surprise to me, considering Shannon was beating him 12-3 at one point. Even if Shannon wins I won't be that upset, because at least it's no longer a blowout. |
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murph76
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Again, basing most of these off the guide. If I have an argument for or against, I'll add it.
Group B-1 Yajima Kintaro, Salaryman Kintaro vs. Edward Elric, Fullmetal Alchemist Edward Elric Group B-2 Natsume Takashi, Natsume Yūjin-Chō vs. Tsukushi Makino, Boys over Flowers Natsume Takashi Group B-3 Fakir, Princess Tutu vs. Eikichi Onizuka , Great Teacher Onizuka Onizuka Group B-4 Linn Syun-Rock Dreu Haider Jinto (aka Jinto Linn), Crest/Banner of the Stars vs. Nicholas Wolfwood, Trigun Wolfwood Group B-5 Samatarou Kamiyama, Kamisama Kazoku vs. Astro Boy, Astro Boy (Note: link is for original 1963 version) Astro Boy Group B-6 Touma Kamijo, A Certain Magical Index (aka To Aru Majutsu no Index) vs. Soichiro Yagami, Death Note Touma Kamijo Group B-7 Balsa, Moribito – Guardian of the Spirit vs. Jessica Edwards, Legend of the Galactic Hero Balsa Group B-8 Naruto Uzumaki, Naruto vs. Christmas, Kurau Phantom Memory Naruto Group B-9 Iria, Iria - Zeiram The Animation vs. Kurenai Shinkurou, Kurenai Shinkurou Group B-10 Shurei Kou/Hong, The Story of Saiunkoku vs. Saito Hiraga, The Familiar of Zero Shurei Kou Group B-11 Noriko Takaya, Gunbuster vs. Juliet Capulet, Romeo x Juliet Noriko Group B-12 Claus Valca, Last Exile vs. Utena Tenjou, Revolutionary Girl Utena Utena Group B-13 Roger Smith, The Big O vs. Tohru Honda, Fruits Basket Tohru Group B-14 Taichi Keaton, Master Keaton vs. Kazuma, s-CRY-ed Taichi Group B-15 Shannon Casull, Scrapped Princess vs. Keiichi Maebara, When They Cry Shannon Casull. He protects his sister, both physically and emotionally. He doesn't kill because he knows it would make Pacifica feel worse about her situation. And he stands against an entire religion to do it. Group B-16 Vash the Stampede, Trigun vs. Sousuke Sagara, Full Metal Panic! franchise Vash. Here's a person who tends the wounds of people he just shot, who are trying to kill him, because his desire to not take a life is so strong. |
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Ikari1
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Group B-1
Yajima Kintaro, Salaryman Kintaro vs. Edward Elric, Fullmetal Alchemist Edward – A true hero and child forced to grow up very quickly. He has many of the attributes that many consider to be heroic and he displays mercy, even on those who in reality, deserve non. Ed is a good fighter who strays away from his mission to atone and return his brother to normal to help others. He is often injured in his fights with evil but has lots of friends who end up placing their hopes in him despite him being only very young. Group B-2 Natsume Takashi, Natsume Yūjin-Chō vs. Tsukushi Makino, Boys over Flowers Natsume – Having read up on both characters and reading the comments on here, I have decided to vote for Natsume. Group B-3 Fakir, Princess Tutu vs. Eikichi Onizuka , Great Teacher Onizuka Fakir- Has more of a heroic presence that GTO’s Eikichi and just seems the obvious choice out of the two. Group B-4 Linn Syun-Rock Dreu Haider Jinto (aka Jinto Linn), Crest/Banner of the Stars vs. Nicholas Wolfwood, Trigun Jinto – I Have seen a little of banner of stars and only a small amount of trigun but my impressions from reading up on them is that Jinto deserves my vote this time.Group B-5 Samatarou Kamiyama, Kamisama Kazoku vs. Astro Boy, Astro Boy (Note: link is for original 1963 version) Samatarou Kamiyama – I feel he has more in common with a hero than astroboy who is relying on his iconic status thus far in this competition. Group B-6 Touma Kamijo, A Certain Magical Index (aka To Aru Majutsu no Index) vs. Soichiro Yagami, Death Note Tohma Kamijo – Because Yagami isnt really a hero in my books and isn’t up to the standards of the other contestant in this group Group B-7 Balsa, Moribito – Guardian of the Spirit vs. Jessica Edwards, Legend of the Galactic Hero Balsa - because she really can stand her ground so to speak and tries to avoid harming others too much in combat. She has a worthy goal of atonement. Naruto Uzumaki, Naruto vs. Christmas, Kurau Phantom Memory Naruto gets my vote. It’s a no brainer this one to be honest. He is a perfect example of a hero and he places the safety of his friends and close ones as a top priority over his life throughout the series. He is determined and brave. Group B-9 Iria, Iria - Zeiram The Animation vs. Kurenai Shinkurou, Kurenai Kurenai - coin flip Group B-10 Shurei Kou/Hong, The Story of Saiunkoku vs. Saito Hiraga, The Familiar of Zero Saito Hiraga- Wins hands down with his extremely loyal character and fighting spirit. He refuses to be treated differently by the nobles in the opening episodes and he chooses to fight in a world far different from his own and even turns back at one point. His actions during the end of the second series make Saito an obvious choice in this group and I think he deserves to go far in this tourney. Group B-11 Noriko Takaya, Gunbuster vs. Juliet Capulet, Romeo x Juliet Noriko- didn't particularly like Romeoxjuliet and the characters so Noriko wins this for me handsdown. Group B-12 Claus Valca, Last Exile vs. Utena Tenjou, Revolutionary Girl Utena Utena – Dont really know much about last exile but even so after reading up on it, I found Utena to still be the more heroic choice I would go for. Group B-13 Roger Smith, The Big O vs. Tohru Honda, Fruits Basket Roger smith- Dont really like these two in the tournament so flipped a coin on this one. Group B-14 Taichi Keaton, Master Keaton vs. Kazuma, s-CRY-ed Taichi – After reading up on both of these characters I’ve decided that Taichi Keaton is the better contestant in this group. Group B-15 Shannon Casull, Scrapped Princess vs. Keiichi Maebara, When They Cry Keiichi- This was a hard one for me as I thought both characters are heroic in different ways. In the end I decided to go with my gut choice which was for Keiichi as I think he displays a different but powerful type of heroism compared to that of Shannon. Group B-16 Vash the Stampede, Trigun vs. Sousuke Sagara, Full Metal Panic! franchise Sousuke – I’ve seen FMP many times and despite the comedic themes running in the show, perhaps overshadowing his heroic deeds he deserves my vote in this group. He is always looking out for others and is an excellent soldier who’s heart is usually in the right place. Last edited by Ikari1 on Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:17 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Olliff
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I have decided to change my vote in Group B-15 to Keiichi based on the comments and arguments made thus far. I suppose that I made too quick of a judgment since I haven't seen even the entire first season.
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Mushi-Man
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B-1: Edward Elric, Full Metal Alchemist
He was someone who always fought for what was right and stuck to his principals. B-2: Natsume Takashi, Natsume Yuujincho guide B-3: Fakir, Princess Tutu Guide, what I've heard B-4: Nicholas Wolfwood, Trigun He was a good man with a kind soul B-5: Astro Boy, Astro Boy The idealistic hero for anyone who grow up watching things like Superman and Batman. B-6: Soichiro Yagami, Death Note He never gave up, even when his life was at risk he always tried to do what was right. B-7: Balsa, Moribito She is a strong character who risks her life to save a young boy. B-8: Naruto, Naruto I guess he's heroic, not my choice to win or anything. B-9: Kurenai Shinkurou, Kurenai Guide B-10: Saito hiragi, The Family of Zero Guide B-11: .Juliet, Romeo x Juliet guide/ saw the first ep. B-12: Utena, Revolutionary Girl Utena guide and what friends have told me. I should really watch this. B-13: Roger Smith, Big O He is a defender of paradigm city. Never really thought of himself much. B-14: Kazuma, s-CRY-ed Although he acts like he doesn't care, he goes through pain and suffering to defend the people of the lost ground, and his loved ones. B-15: Shannon Casull, Scrapped Princess I still think that Keiichi isn't a hero B-16: Vash the Stampede, Trigun He is a kind hearted person who never wants to hurt anyone. But when situation turns for the worst, he does what ever it takes to protect the innocent. |
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Key
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With a bit less than 23 hours left in the round, we have two tied duels and two still within four votes. Shurei just can't seem to outdistance the tenacious Saito for long in B-10 (this still baffles me, and I still think a lot of voters are highly underrating what Shurei brings to the table), Keiichi Maebara has had a dramatic turn-around since the first day and tied Shannon Casull in B-15, and B-11 and B-13 both remain tightly contentious. Naruto has finally started to put some distance between him and Christmas in B-8 and all other matches are 10+ votes apart, which means that it would take a minor miracle at this point to change the leader in any but the above-mentioned pairings.
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Kouga13
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Group B-1
Edward Elric, Fullmetal Alchemist Group B-2 Natsume Takashi, Natsume Yūjin-Chō Group B-3 Eikichi Onizuka , Great Teacher Onizuka Group B-4 Linn Syun-Rock Dreu Haider Jinto (aka Jinto Linn), Crest/Banner of the Stars Shoulder's the hate of an entire planet. Never was too impressed with Wolfwood. Group B-5 Astro Boy, Astro Boy (Note: link is for original 1963 version) Group B-6 Touma Kamijo, A Certain Magical Index (aka To Aru Majutsu no Index) Group B-7 Balsa, Moribito – Guardian of the Spirit Group B-8 Naruto Uzumaki, Naruto Group B-9 Kurenai Shinkurou, Kurenai Group B-10 Shurei Kou/Hong, The Story of Saiunkoku More of a vote against Saito. I just can't find him heroic for staying in magic land. Group B-11 Noriko Takaya, Gunbuster Group B-12 Claus Valca, Last Exile Group B-13 Roger Smith, The Big O Don't see Tohru as an heroic figure. Group B-14 Taichi Keaton, Master Keaton Group B-15 Shannon Casull, Scrapped Princess Keiichi goes psychotic a few too many times. Group B-16 Vash the Stampede, Trigun |
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Group B-1
Yajima Kintaro, Salaryman Kintaro vs. Edward Elric, Fullmetal Alchemist Voting for: Edward Elric Reason: From the guide, Kintaro seems nothing particularly remarkable, a decent guy but not necessarily a hero. Ed has a strong platform, and though there are a lot of murmurings that he's just doing what he does for hiw own selfish reasons, I don't really believe that. Group B-2 Natsume Takashi, Natsume Yūjin-Chō vs. Tsukushi Makino, Boys over Flowers Voting for: Tsukushi Makino Reason: Mylene's post of page 12. 
Group B-3 Fakir, Princess Tutu vs. Eikichi Onizuka , Great Teacher Onizuka Voting for: Eikichi Onizuka Reason: I'm not actually familiar with either, but on the strength of various arguments made in his favour (and the hint that Fakir is a douche), I'll vote for Onizuka. Group B-4 Linn Syun-Rock Dreu Haider Jinto (aka Jinto Linn), Crest/Banner of the Stars vs. Nicholas Wolfwood, Trigun Voting for: Nicholas Wolfwood Reason: I didn't particularly feel strongly either way, but Jesu's post concerning motives versus methods did a great deal in Wolfwood's favour. Group B-5 Samatarou Kamiyama, Kamisama Kazoku vs. Astro Boy, Astro Boy (Note: link is for original 1963 version) Voting for: Astro Boy Reason: Must suck for you to be put up against Astro Boy, Kamiyama. Group B-6 Touma Kamijo, A Certain Magical Index (aka To Aru Majutsu no Index) vs. Soichiro Yagami, Death Note Voting for: Soichiro Yagami Reason: Soichiro is a man of justice. He is strong-willed and has a set of principles that he sticks to firmly. He does everything in his (limited) power to stop Kira, to the detriment of his family life, his career and even his health. As a human, he put everything on the line in the name of justice - how could people say that he isn't a hero? Touma, on the other hand, was massively underwhelming in the episodes of Index that I watched. I found his character to be wholly unconvincing (and it was mostly because of him that I dropped the show). Group B-7 Balsa, Moribito – Guardian of the Spirit vs. Jessica Edwards, Legend of the Galactic Hero Voting for: Balsa Reason: Everything that I've heard about Balsa can essentially be boiled down to "She's utterly awesome and a great person all 'round". Group B-8 Naruto Uzumaki, Naruto vs. Christmas, Kurau Phantom Memory Voting for: Naruto Reason: Okay, so Naruto is a fairly generic shounen hero, but he has his strong points and I'm familiar with them. He's an idiot, and I think I could be convinced to vote otherwise if someone wanted to make the effort, but nothing I hear of Christmas really paints her in a light which seems particularly heroic. Group B-9 Iria, Iria - Zeiram The Animation vs. Kurenai Shinkurou, Kurenai Voting for: Kurenai Reason: Iria apparently has a dodgy background? Group B-10 Shurei Kou/Hong, The Story of Saiunkoku vs. Saito Hiraga, The Familiar of Zero Voting for: Shuurei Reason: Guide. Group B-11 Noriko Takaya, Gunbuster vs. Juliet Capulet, Romeo x Juliet Voting for: Noriko Reason: Guide. Group B-12 Claus Valca, Last Exile vs. Utena Tenjou, Revolutionary Girl Utena Voting for: Utena Reason: Claus didn't seem anything special in the episodes of Last Exile that I watched. Very run-of-the-mill. Utena by default. Group B-13 Roger Smith, The Big O vs. Tohru Honda, Fruits Basket Voting for: Tohru Honda Reason: Tohru Honda is selfless and has a profound impact on everyone that knows her just through being who she is. She is not passive as a 'force for good' either, and actively considers and acts in order to improve things for people - even when her own safety is on the line (and it is). Group B-14 Taichi Keaton, Master Keaton vs. Kazuma, s-CRY-ed Voting for: Taichi Keaton Reason: Kazuma looks frickin' evil in that picture. Group B-15 Shannon Casull, Scrapped Princess vs. Keiichi Maebara, When They Cry Voting for: Keiichi Reason: Keiichi has his issues, as does everyone else in the show, but he sticks by his friends and does what is right even at great risk to himself. He doesn't deserve to go out in the first round. Group B-16 Vash the Stampede, Trigun vs. Sousuke Sagara, Full Metal Panic! franchise Voting for: Vash the Stampede Reason: I love Sousuke, but... he's up against Vash. I'm not sure how much staying power Vash has got, but I'm afraid that Sousuke really should bow out at this point. Sorry, Sousuke. "It's not a problem." |
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I know this is cutting it close... my apologies.
Group B-1 Edward Elric, Fullmetal Alchemist Group B-2 Natsume Takashi, Natsume Yūjin-Chō Very endearing character to me... and upon further reflection, he is heroic. I don't expect him to go far, but I'd like to give him a chance and I need to stay true to my heart. Group B-3 Eikichi Onizuka , Great Teacher Onizuka Group B-4 Linn Syun-Rock Dreu Haider Jinto (aka Jinto Linn), Crest/Banner of the Stars Group B-5 Samatarou Kamiyama, Kamisama Kazoku Group B-6 Touma Kamijo, A Certain Magical Index (aka To Aru Majutsu no Index) Group B-7 Balsa, Moribito – Guardian of the Spirit Group B-8 Naruto Uzumaki, Naruto Group B-9 Kurenai Shinkurou, Kurenai My kind of hero... has a good heart, does his best in a situation many would have given-up on. Group B-10 Shurei Kou/Hong, The Story of Saiunkoku -It pains me to think that Shurei may lose... personally, she would be my number one pick. As a woman, she's definitely someone I would look up to. Group B-11 Noriko Takaya, Gunbuster Group B-12 Claus Valca, Last Exile Group B-13 Roger Smith, The Big O Group B-14 Kazuma, s-CRY-ed Group B-15 Keiichi Maebara, When They Cry Group B-16 Vash the Stampede, Trigun -The lengths that this guy will go to in avoiding killing another, even when all are out to kill him. Talk about integrity. |
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Redbeard 101
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With my boss out due to fighting cancer I've had little time lately. So my votes are going to be very brief this round as I am running on 3 hours of sleep in 36 hours at this point.
Group B-1 Yajima Kintaro, Salaryman Kintaro Reason: As I have said since the start Ed is NOT HEROIC. All of his heroic deeds are fueled by entirely selfish desires. His only goal is to fix his brother. All the good deeds he does achieve are done simply in the process of carrying out his real goal. Heroism is more then just doing heroic deed or picking right from wrong. It's in the reasoning that separates a simple good/heroic deed from actual heroism. It's the difference between just doing your job cause you have to and truly wanting to help others. Ed's reasonings are selfish at heart. He is not a bad guy but he is not heroic. Group B-2 Tsukushi Makino, Boys over Flowers Reason: The guide and member opinions swayed me on this one. Group B-3 Fakir, Princess Tutu Reason: Both I think deserve to move on to the second round in comparison to other characters but in this match up Fakir is just the more heroic of the 2. Group B-4 Nicholas Wolfwood, Trigun Reason: I don't think either honestly are that heroic compared to many others really. Though Wolfwood seems to think for himself more then Jinto. I mean for much of the show Jinto is really just there for Lafiel. Love the show (more then Trigun honestly, by a lot) but in this matchup I think Wolfwood has the edge. Group B-5 Astro Boy, Astro Boy Reason: Despite being created to fight evil Astro just exudes heroism. I mean for decades he was, and is, an iconic symbol of heroism. He doesn't juat do heroic acts, he believes in them and in good over evil. Group B-6 Soichiro Yagami, Death Note Reason: Just going by the guide and member arguments for this one. Not really interested in who wins. Group B-7 Jessica Edwards, Legend of the Galactic Hero Reason: Sorry, I'm biased on this one. Group B-8 Christmas, Kurau Phantom Memory Reason: Biased on this one too. Naruto is heroic, even if horribly annoying, but so is Christmas. What sways me spoiler[is the fact that despite the fact she knows she could lose Kurau, who literally completes her, she fights on to protect humans and all people from her own kind. Even after losing Kurau she continues to support her choice. ] Group B-9 Kurenai Shinkurou, Kurenai Reason: Going by the guide and the arguments prsented for Kurenai, Group B-10 Shurei Kou/Hong, The Story of Saiunkoku Reason: Not familiar with either that much really but I know Lydia is always going on about Saiunkoku and the arguments also have swayed me. Group B-11 Juliet Capulet, Romeo x Juliet Reason: Pulled an abunai and flipped a coin. I'll keep those kinds of votes to a minimum. Group B-12 Utena Tenjou, Revolutionary Girl Utena Reason: Utena is another example of just pure heroism to me. The epitome of a hero fighting against evil because they believe in good triumphing. Group B-13 Roger Smith, The Big O Reason: Neither are heroes to me. Neither show real heroism. They both have their own selfish reasons pushing their actions. Not just because something is heroic, but because of their own personal reasons that just so happen to have heroic acts as results. So between the two then I'll vote for the one with bigger heroic acts. Group B-14 Taichi Keaton, Master Keaton Reason: Kazuma is not a hero. He also fights for very selfish reasons and his acts of heroism by in large are just side effects of that. Taichi however is another prime example, Like Utena or Goku, of someone who not only achieves heroic actions but does so because they believe in them. They believe in good triumphing over evil and I will probably be repeating that phrase through the rest of the tournament. Group B-15 Shannon Casull, Scrapped Princess Reason: Despite having virtually everyone literally out to kill someone he cares about he does not become bitter IMO. He continues to try and help the innocent, along with Pacifica, because it's the right thing to do despite the unfortunate events they face. Group B-16 Vash the Stampede, Trigun Reason: To me Sosuke is not heroic but just doing good deeds because it's simply his job, not only because he feels it's the right thing to do. Even for those who would argue differently he by no means can match up to Vash in terms off heroism. So regardless of Sosuke's heroism Vash's outclasses his. |
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Mad_Scientist
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By my count (please don't kill me if it turns out I'm wrong), she's now pulled ahead with a narrow 17-14 lead. With 31 people having already voted and very little time left for this round, and think her chances are pretty good. EDIT: Hadn't seen the last post yet, so it looks like she's ahead by 4 now. EDIT AGAIN:
Forum time? I'm afraid I'm not totally sure what you mean, because I can adjust the time for the forum in my profile. |
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Key
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Round 1 Group B is now closed.
Final results will soon be posted here. We ended up with two ties on 32 votes, as Roger Smith and Tohru Honda just couldn't ever distance themselves from each other and Keiichi caught up with - but ultimately couldn't pass - Shannon Casull. (Given the opposition each duo faces in the next round, though, any of the four surviving to round 3 seems unlikely.) Thus there will be a round of 18 next time. Amongst other tight matches, Shurei and Noriko were ultimately able to pull away just a little bit from Saito and Juliet, respectively. All other matches were decided by 10 or more votes. Group C will be up soon; I am having to go to DVDs to get a couple of final pictures, so probably within an hour. And while I have an audience here: I need Guide write-ups for the individuals listed below or they won't have any for Group D: Kamui, X Sakata Gintoki, Gintama Simon, Gurren Lagann (not absolutely needed but it would help) Tohma, Fantastic Children (see Simon) And Mad_Scientist: Sorry, forgot you could adjust the clock relevant to your time zone. "Forum time" is currentl Central Standard Time in the U.S. (GMT -6, I think?) |
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Mad_Scientist
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Central Standard Time is indeed GMT -6, I was able to verify that, but... not to be a pain, but if that is indeed "Forum Time", then that would mean that this latest round ended at around 10:00 PM Forum Time I think, not 11:00 PM. Did the forum finally account for Daylight Savings Time without you realizing it, or am I just confused? |
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Key
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No, the forum never adjusted its clock for DST. Thus this post, which is going up by 1:04 a.m. EST, should read 12:04 a.m. on an unadjusted forum time. |
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