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TheAncientOne
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Sometimes that non-specificness is exactly what is needed. If due to information (such as the number of discs that will be released for a series), you know the approximate number of episodes, it is a lot quicker to say it will be "2 cours" than "probably 22-26 episodes". |
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doc-watson42
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Regarding Bubblegum Crisis, I believe that the split wasn't Artmic/AIC, but Artmic/Youmex (Google search as proof). Artmic was a concept/writing studio (see the Toshimichi Suzuki interview in Animerica vol. 1, no. 3 (May 1993), pp. 5–9), and Youmex did the animation.
It's based on a series of novels.
"Cours" at Wiktionary.
Proof: Back in 2002 the site Anime Tourist posted a question and answer session entitled "Gainax: Past, Present and Future" between Hiroyuki Yamaga, Takami Akai, and a group of fans, which covers among other things the ending of His and Her Circumstances. ::: Another television series that ends in the middle: Great Dangaioh, whose official Web site's (spoilers at the linked page:) episode guide ends in the notation "(Follow with chapter 2)". More material: • "Ask John: What Anime Seem to Have Ended Prematurely?" (21 April 2009) • "Ask John: What Anime Just Introduce Their Source Manga?" (23 December 2011) • "Ask John: Do Anime Continue if Their Creators Die?" (23 October 2010) • "Ask John: Why Does Anime Use Filler Episodes?" (27 September 2005) Lastly, I maintain a (text-only, and mostly SFW) Incomplete hentai series/Incomplete R1 releases database (browse: EditGrid< / Google Docs); last updated 7 February 2012. On that topic: "Ask John: Why Don’t Hentai Anime Have Endings?" (21 May 2010) |
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Animegomaniac
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The Melody of Oblivion, huh? Alright... Final three episode arc: spoiler[Monster Union kills all the Warriors on Earth with one button press as they were stupidly having a convention or something; Two of the final three Warriors get trapped in space and the Monster Union gets a massive reduction in upper managment. It's bit of a downer for all involved but done in the style of musical theatre {Space Opera, get it?} and a local karoake bar so it's easy to miss how depressing it really is.] Final episode: spoiler[Final Warrior returns to Earth, finds out the Monster King kinapped his girl, kills another Monster on his way to find him and shows why having a real girlfriend is a lot better than having an imaginary girlfriend, killing the Monster King and former Warrior in the process. Unlike the Monster Union, there are no new recruits for these abominations and the series ends with the final Warrior finding new human recruits and chasing down the last two or three Monsters who are in a tight spot without their human servant network. Provided Bocca doesn't screw it up, humanity should finally win.] As anime goes, it's a fine ending. The only thing I felt was a disappointment was that the monster Medusa didn't get any comeuppance during the course of the show. Even when compared to the guy who could digest his victims for all eternity and who will never fully die so they won't either, ever, she's very disturbing. And she's only really in one scene. I love this show but this is the closest I've seen anyone get to admitting they liked it. The ultimate unfinshed show is Genshiken and the show even had the guts to point it out. They had the material, they had the interest {I think} but the producers had a "We're finishing here and that's it." moment near the end of season 2 which is a pretty rare thing for shows to do. More common {if not so blatant} is this: Nyankoi ended on a plea for Season 2 which many fans translated into "They're going to have a season 2!" somehow. In this case, they didn't have the material and I guess they still don't. |
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ConanSan
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Calling that a conclusion to Kenshin is kinda like calling being punched in the balls/overies the end to you having kids. |
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Looneygamemaster
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That's...debatable. Actually, looking back, EVA's the only anime I can really say had an unsatisfying ending (for me at least). Mostly because it was all talking about the characters' psychological problems and how they could be solved. "Show, don't tell," after all. I guess to me, good storytelling has to take precedence over artistic vision (if that's what you can call that mess ). |
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fuuma_monou
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That's what End of Evangelion is for. (Still haven't watched it, though.) Basically the TV ending is a therapy session, and I'd like to see you do that with "show, don't tell". |
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Zhou-BR
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I love that show, too, and I thought it had one the best endings in recent memory. The resolution of Bocca's battle with Monster King was especially brilliant. spoiler[Take that, idealized love.]
What really frustrates me about Genshiken is that it could have easily ended with season 2 if the writers had covered 2 chapters per episode instead of keeping that languid "one chapter per episode, plus a bunch of new scenes to fill up the running time" pace. If they weren't sure the show would get a 3rd season, they shouldn't have counted on it. |
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Angel M Cazares
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I definitely do no like anime unfinished or lacking a proper ending. But if I had to chose a series with a "questionable" ending that I like, it would be Evangelion. I was not happy with the last two episodes, but I prefer them over the gory and bombastic End of Evangelion. I do not think anime needs a neat, clean, satisfying ending in order to be good. When I watch well done series with a less than satisfying ending, I tend to more easily forgive their "bad" endings.
As I have gotten older I tend to judges questionable endings this way. If an ending does not properly explain what the hell just happened (e.g. Xam'd: Lost Memories), it is a weak ending for me. And if I watch an ending that explain what the hell just happened, but the main characters have bittersweet resolutions, I am okay with that because life is full or surprises and many times, as the Rolling Stones sing, "You Can't Always Get What You Want." As far as happy and unhappy endings, I do not judge anime endings like that. I see strong endings as those with enough closure for the main characters and tying most of the loose ends together. Weak ending for me are those with little or no closure and lacking a coherent explanation what just happened. |
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Angel M Cazares
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Funny you say this. I though the same thing before knowing what "cour" is. |
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Petrea Mitchell
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Regarding cour: To me it's specialist jargon, handy for communicating with other people who know a lot about the topic, but not something I'd force someone to learn if they're just getting interested in anime.
I'm probably going to be on a panel at Worldcon making anime recommendations to people who are new to anime, so I've been thinking over what I need and don't need to explain for background. Because of the simulcasts, I do think it's necessary to mention the 3-month cycle, but I don't think cour is part of the essential vocabulary. Unifinished anime: I guess I've been lucky in the anime I've watched that Evangelion is the closest thing I've ever seen to an unfinished show. I know the look of the ending was due to Gainax running out of money, and I understand why they wanted to go back later and re-do it, but the story felt complete after I finished watching it. |
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belvadeer
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How is our planet being destroyed supposed to be hilarious exactly?
Dragon Century definitely. The ending was left completely up to interpretation when they really could have said something. The melancholy ending music didn't help matters either. I really wanted a clear ending to the story. What I am supposed to assume? That spoiler[Carmine and the dragons supposedly all died fighting the demons] or spoiler[the dragons won and came back home safely]? Personally, if the show had been made longer into a thirteen-episode story, then they could have written something a lot less depressing and a lot more satisfying. Dragon Century is still my favorite anime of all time and I treasure all the various formats of it that I own, but I never stop replaying the ending in my head and wondering just how it could or should have ended. |
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DrizzlingEnthalpy
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The rumor of Evangelion running out of money seems to be based on the reasonable but incorrect assumption that the steep decline in the number of drawings meant GAINAX was out of money. Hiroyuki Yamaga and Toshio Okada have both said that Evangelion did not have budget issues; the drastically reduced cel count was a result of time issues stemming from the disorganized production. I've never found any official information on Japan's end claiming the budget ran out.
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Zhou-BR
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Judging by what I could piece together from statements by Okada and Yamaga, plus some information from the Red Cross booklet, it seems the production was completely derailed when TV Tokyo didn't approve Anno's original script for episode 25, which was deemed to violent, and that caused scheduling conflicts with Tatsunoko, which co-produced the animation with Gainax. After rewriting the script, Anno and his staff had to scramble in order to produce the last two episodes in time for the TV broadcast, and I assume the ending would have been quite different if TV Tokyo had approved the original episode 25 script, which years later became the basis for the first half of End of Evangelion. |
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StudioToledo
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Instead of being turned into a joke on MTV! (for anyone who can recall watching Liquid TV's red-headed stepchild)
I simply call it a "series" as a whole and never "seasons" personally. "Cours" sounds too French for my tastes anyway. Last edited by StudioToledo on Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:00 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Aynslesa
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Evangelion was the first anime I ever watched (and thirteen years later I don't know if I should be proud of that or go cry in the corner), and I find it so hilarious that two episodes born of financial crisis could spawn the debates that they still do. Not to mention End of Evangelion. And one can only imagine what will happen when the four movies are released (Evangelion 3.0, can't wait to see you!)
Although love to the shout out for Saint Seiya! I was fortunate (or unfortunate depending on your perspective) to not discover the series until after Hades was released. Sadly, though, even Saint Seiya has not been released from the curse of unfinisheditis. Fans are still waiting for the third season of Lost Canvas, and there's no word on if Next Dimension - the official sequel/prequel to Hades - will ever see an animated adaptation. At least we get Saint Seiya Omega for the time being. |
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