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Top Gun
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For that much money, it should include a life-sized, gold-plated statue of Al. 
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reanimator
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You're right. $80 for a video game package full of Made-in-China toys and Made-in-Mexico optical discs is reasonable price. Japanese animation market is collectors' market, so $700 for Made-in-Japan limited quantity DVD boxset is not surprsing. |
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Nebs
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What are you, daft? There was no ill will in my post at all. I called them pirates because that's the actual correct term & what they like to be called. Sure there might be some negative connotation behind such a name, but that isn't my fault. Try educating yourself before talking (also, learn how to spell). & I never said anything about hating fansubs. I watch them all the time. Not to mention that my original post had nothing to do with fansubbers. Pirates are the ones that post the stuff online in the first place. Fansubbers have nothing to do with that. Yeesh.... |
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enurtsol
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Generally, Japanese consumers have a bragging rights mentality. They would pay full price for a Louis Vuitton bag, even if another store nearby has the same bag for half-price, just so they can brag to their friends how much they paid for their bag.
Japanese consumers also haven't much developed a bargain or "best buy" mindset yet. If they want something luxurious, they'd pay the expensive price for it. If they want something cheap, then they go to cheap places like Uniqlo. Not much in between, like a luxury item for a cheap price. It's either one or the other. 
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reanimator
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Being an owner of several Japanese R2 Anime DVD's, I have to disagree with you. Japanese DVD marketing is focused on serious otaku collectors and they offer better bonus materials than R1 DVD's. Did you even bother to check actual product contents of this FMA DVD boxset? Let's say that you bought every disc brand new separately from Japan. Remember this is Japanese R2 pricing, not licensed R1 pricing. So they'll cost you 137,963 Yen or about US $1,400 for every DVD volumes, soundtracks, and "drama CDs" that was released in Japan excluding sales tax and shipping cost. DVD box sets are PROJECTED to sell only 20,000 copies at most. So If you do some calculation, $700 is about right price to make serious profit. Well, you can pre-order from Amazon Japan for about $350, so people there are not actually spending $700. There is customer and seller loyalty between collectors and DVD maker. In order to attract their Japanese customers to spend that much money on a DVD box set, Japanese DVD makers went through a lot of trouble and money to make their product look good. They went through trouble remastering DVD, adding audio commentaries, hiring luxury product graphic designers to design the new package and contents, renting out a hall for screening, and spent thousands on advertisements, and so on. Since Japanese are not Hollywood where they can't sell millions of copies, those little customer appeasements are expensive. So Japanese fans getting some pampering that most us non-Japanese fans don't get. How often do we see domestic companies going through whole nine yards to sell their DVDs? Before bad mouthing Japanese Otaku market for spending that much, look what American fans are doing. I mean, they are spending $80 for a package consists of a 50 cents Made-in-China toy and 20 cents Made-in-Mexico optical discs. Just because Japanese don't sell their stuff cheap like in the states, it doesn't mean their marketing is shameless and arrogant. When was the last time you bought a 100% Made-in-USA product in full price? |
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cnav
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What is up with people commenting on spellings and language.i myself dont't spell properly on the forums,but that is just because i want to post as quickly as possible.
And speaking about dvd boxsets,this boxset is surely overpriced.But they are giving lots of stuff in it.And there are many people who will end up buying it.So there is no use arguing on this topic. If i had the money, i would have bought it immediately.(i'm kinda 125$ short). |
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Unit 03.5-ish
Posts: 1540 Location: This space for rent |
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Uh...discs are made on the cheap regardless of who's manufacturing them, so that argument holds about as much water as a drinking glass with several very large holes. If you want to go with the "well you shouldn't buy things that are made at little cost but sold at high profit" argument, Japan's no better about that, and most consumer items are like that around the world...so, uh, yeah.
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reanimator
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My point is that there are so many little factors adding up to make that those discs expensive. You said that reproduction of discs are cheap anywhere. Have you ever found about how much those professional reproduction would cost in Japan? Honestly I don't know the cost for professional grade DVD reproduction in Japan, but looking at overall Japanese DVD pricing of all media (live action and animation), I believe their pricing always has been higher than other countries due to their economy.
We're talking about niche title that is meant to sell at small quantity. Japanese could sell their Anime discs for really low price at their level at massive quantity, and they're doing that by releasing lower priced DVD box sets. Again considering the typical Japanese economy, they do have limit. Have you ever read about specialty documentary video for institutional use which costs $175 per title? Japanese Anime DVDs are similar because they both sell specific titles for specific audience. Since Japanese side has to carry the burden of production cost with very limited market, they have no choice but to sell at current price. Fans here are lucky that they have domestic companies that distribute licensed Anime titles for much lower price. |
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samuelp
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No, not true really. DVD replication in Japan is more expensive than in the US (or mexico) for large quantities, however for small batch runs around 10,000 or so it's no more expensive than the US, because Japanese DVD houses specialize in lower print runs. So for more anime DVDs with print runs less than 10,000, the cost of replication itself is no more than in the US. The prices of R2 DVD video is high almost purely because of market forces and has nothing to do with it being inherently more expensive to make DVDs in Japan. |
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Jarmel
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One thing I want to know is that would it kill the publishers to put English subs on it? Some people want to buy the high quality sets and with the half season and thin packs, it leaves a hole in the market. All these publishers have to do is just add one set of subs and I'm sure some Americans would pick this up.
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Sariachan
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^ Not only Americans.
Anyway, I think many of you are forgetting, or don't know, that the discs in this set aren't DVDs, but Blu-Rays, thus the higher price. |
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samuelp
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Uh, no. They are DVDs. There is a blu-ray version of the MOVIE that is included as a bonus, that's the only BD in the box. |
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enurtsol
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Depends if they stand to make more money selling the licenses around the world than selling the DVDs around the world. |
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strahl
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My point exactly.... Also, Ghibli movies are coming with english subs, though I don't see people rushing to buy their 50.00 dvds, and to be honest... Japanese studios know that 1- piracy can promote the shows merchandise 2- otakus elsewhere are cheap 3- USA Otakus dont really want to spend money on the thing. We are a big bunch of paintball players using water guns and overwatered coolaid on it, with homemade gear, wanting to compare ourselves with the best of the world.... |
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enurtsol
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Well, Buena Vista of Disney distributes the Ghibli films, so they may actually prefer you pay them $50 in Japan than $30 in America.
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