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Hon'ya-chan
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So what should we use? Speed Racer? Transformers? Resident Evil? Hell, let's dig back abit, howabout Super Mario Brothers? |
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kakoishii
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I haven't gotten sufficient sleep in all of 72 hours, so my sarcasm meter is effectively broken in case I miss that you're merely joking. My point is people want to hold DBE up as the reason why "hollywood should stop messing with my anime" when many would agree that a good live action DB movie would be hard to do considering how unreal the anime itself is. The whole anime to live action adaptation thing is pretty new in hollywood, besides Speed Racer there really aren't any other examples to use, and getting this sort of thing right will most likely take the sort of trial and error comic book movie adaptations had to face. Claiming that the failure of DEB equate to the failure of any anime to live action movie they try to make is like saying the failure of really bad comic book movies like Catwoman or the first Hulk movie is proof that a good comic book movie can't be made. That of course has been proven wrong, and in effect only lends proof that you have to take these sort of things as a case by case basis. If everyone on the project is really dedicated to make a good live action movie based on an anime there's no reason that we can't believe that at some point they could surprise us with something analogous to what TDK did for the comic book fans. |
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Ausdoerrt
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Ironman is not an anime adaptation. And neither are, BTW, Transformers, whoever else mentioned them in the thread. Super Mario Bros. was a shoddy movie. Aside from DBE, there's also the Street Fighter POS "movie". Speed Racer is probably the only exception, but that's because Wachowski brothers already have experience working anime, and, tbh, I do not know anyone except them who could make even a half-decent anime adaptation (not that Speed Racer was stellar - but it was decent). Also, imagining Efron as Sousuke doesn't make me laugh, it makes me cry big sad tears. |
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fighterholic
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I'm curious now as to why you would say that. It is true that Transformers did show over here, and it did have a successful toy line, but as far as I know the origin of Transformers is indeed Japan, making it an anime series. How do you differ? |
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Urzu 7
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I was a little worried when I first found out that they were making a FMP! live-action movie. I know it's been thoroughly discussed about anime to live-action and I'll agree that it should be taken 'case-by-case'. The fact that most (if not all) script writers in Hollywood don't watch anime is reason for concern. They want to make a good movie that'll sell to everyone, that's a given. They should also make a real attempt at sticking with the source material. FMP! isn't too far out of reach to make into a decent movie, as DB:E was (due to realism).
As for casting: I just don't want this to turn into a 'teen idol' starred movie that has all the pre-teen girls who have never seen the original FMP!, much less heard of anime, all over this. This, however, is just my opinion. |
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CoolyChaN
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Yes! Full Metal Panic! is saved
 . Zac Efron is just not Sousuke. It would end up like Dragon Ball. a BOMB
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Mappy
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Are they symptomatic of Hollywood's apparent rapidly shallowing talent pool? Yes. This is why the naysayers say nay. The trust has long since been lost. Actually, I find it easier to believe all of these adaptations will be rubbish, because lowered expectations always help the surprise when things are demonstrably better (than said expectations). Optimistic pessimism, in a way. |
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ikillchicken
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Well, it would depend on your definition of anime. ANN lists it as U.S. TV because... "Like its sister show in the U.S. G.I Joe, Transformers was funded by Marvel/Sunbow studios in America, but actually animated by Toei studios in Japan." |
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ReiClone88
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After reading and watching the original news post on MTV, I think Zac Efron is making up the fact that he's a "huge" fan of manga based on the way he's shifting his eyes and his pronunciation of "manga".
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AoiHonou
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Zac Efron doesn't fit a Souseke role. So whom should be?
None, I guess... |
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Restricted18
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Excuse me for reviving this thread but...
Warning: Massive post.
What he said.
Exactly. Especially after watching The Second Raid, I've thought it has excellent potential for a live-action adaption. I just never expected a hollywood studio to pick it up, and yet I don't think a Japanese studio could pull it off alone either.
"Hollywood" is a philosophy. It's a set of principles, based on commercialism and making a quick profit. It is because Christopher Nolan/Christian Bale decided to STRAY from the norm (helps that Christian Bale only ever plays serious roles, too) that Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were successful adaptions. They just made a great pair of films, their commercial success was a side-effect, imo. Dragonball Evolution wasn't the first, nor will it be the last, live-action anime/cartoon adaption. It is however, just ONE of MANY failures. In addition, Batman is a longer-running and more well-known (in the Western world) franchise than FMP. FMP isn't gonna get a second chance if they fudge this one up.
I agree completely.
Heh. Well said. My personal opinion... How I think an FMP film could work. (How I know they'll completely mess it up.) Tell me where you disagree. - i think the length of the first light novel would probably translate really well to a 1 and a half hour movie, so there is less cutting of details; might need to add more mecha action (or action in general) though - should be a bi-lingual japanese-english film (sousuke, tessa, gauln, kaname?, kurz weber, melissa mao?) - multi-ethnic cast, but sagara and kaname should be asian, japanese-looking*; tessa tiny and white/italian (how do you pull off platinum blonde?), gauln also asian, kurz weber blonde (german?) gotta be a playboy though, mao in the series is american-chinese somewhat masculine but not at the cost of her attractiveness (various war/soldier films would have good examples of how this might work) - *i sorta feel this is a bit much to ask for. when's the last time there was a hollywood film with *two* asian leads? they'd probably have to introduce the tessa love triangle earlier on. but then again, i'd be pretty happy with that. - *if they were to change the setting (not-japan), they could make it easier to work with, i guess? (but i don't know about you, but in my experience american high school life on screen is nowhere near as interesting as japanese high school life on screen) - *meaning they'd also change the cast to not-necessarily-asian, this would make it a less faithful adaption**, but if it were impossible to find a good asian cast, or american society is still uh, "well, we have to have white actors, or people won't watch it", at that point, then it may be the only solution - ** there's also the problem that... america wasn't neutral to the cold war, they were its biggest players alongside the soviet union; on the other hand, japan was neutral (could you say?) and in the context of the series is a peaceful nation, which is what creates the contrast and allows the plot to move forward - two examples of relevant settings that worked well: Tokyo Drift (an american movie taking place in Japan? no way...), and Watchmen (an alternate reality [with references to the Cold War] where they didn't feel the need to unnecessarily futurise it? that can't be possible...) - personally i think it'd be pretty cool to introduce belfangan grouseaux (first introduced in the second main-plot anime series, and fourth main-plot ligh tnovel) - we need more scary black guys in movies, come on; and an advocate of Islam that's -neutral- in a plot about terrorism? food for thought..... but then that may throw off the plot (which I see as encompassing the first book, since gauln is a great villain), so... hmm... - can make AL an english voice, pretty sure you can pull THAT off without messing it up - since it's american-produced (though japanese involvement would probably help excessively), would probably need to increase the focus on the pacific fleet, and gauln, i.e. english speaking parts (in the light novels it is implied that they speak english, i think) - i dont' know if MOST of the comedic elements would translate well to the silver screen, risks becoming a tacky unrealistic action-comedy, while in FMP (or many anime in general) you can almost treat them (comedy and suspense) as two separate parts of a whole, you couldn't do that with a film, much less hollywood. - if there is comedy, don't make it slapstick comedy - though comedy is central to the feel of the franchise, it isn't central to the plot, and attempting to replicate the comedy (or some poor excuse for it) in a film will only detract from it - should focus on the action and suspense and war and romance [though i worry about hollywood's take on this] aspects; give it some maturity, fudge PG-13. learn from the dark knight, in that respect. pick a niche, and fill it. - treat as a modern war film, in terms of the gun fights and military combat (since that's essentially what fmp is all about, apart from humongous mecha that is) - have kyoto-ani/gonzo available for mecha art/combat direction (or use as a study) - probably the most important part really, most of the third generation arm slaves move extremely fluidly - with greater mobility than the human body, without the characteristic CRUNCH of the really large transformers in the transformers films, but the second generation arm slaves move significantly less fluidly - however, PROBABLY make arm slaves the light-novel size (which is smaller than the kyoto-ani arm slaves, was it 12 feet or so?) - make sure sousuke can kick ass in an arm slave, in a crappier arm slave, and out of an arm slave - emphasise fmp's various references to western popular culture, only to be expected though - hell, make (more) references to popular culture in general, including the japanese popular culture, like super robots and crap - ShowYourWork [or just do it, regardless, research *always* helps] - read the actual source material [light novels, manga, anime series 1&3] - primary source should be the light novels, since they'd translate better - don't fudge the fans over; fmp is a pretty niche series, even though it is definitely high up in popularity for anime fans; it isn't transformers, everyone and their uncle knows about - though attaching zac effron shows they're probably hoping to cater to a different audience*, a majority of which probably know nothing of FMP, and a large fraction of which will probably watch it based on the flashy trailer alone - *having said that, they could take a risk and give him a bit of an image change, make his roles more versatile, you know Don't you wish people that have any creative input into the adaption process actually listened to the fans? |
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Hollywood isn't one being, yet that's what people here seem to think. "Hollywood" didn't make DB:E, nor did "Hollywood" make DB:E bad. That blame most likely falls on the writers and the director. Do they work for a Hollywood studio? Yes. Are they Hollywood itself? No. 
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