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Navak
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It seems like many people are divorced from reality here...
Torrent operators vanishing overnight? Are they going to take down usenet while they're at it? Fighting piracy may be needed for certain legal reasons, to demonstrate that you're attempting to protect properties and what not in case you need to sue someone, but I find it incredibly difficult to imagine an outcome different from something like the fight to stop pirated movies, pirated music, pirated games, or even drugs. I imagine they will see a nice budget line for "cost of piracy prevention" another one for "estimated revenue saved!!!" and an entire department arguing for how that estimate for revenue saved is not a completely worthless number when shit doesn't get better. |
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einhorn303
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Uh, Toei has distributed some of it's shows via CrunchyRoll and various DTO services. Sunrise has also been big on broadcasting it's shows online, with Gundam 00, Kurokami, and Code Geass both being on CR and Youtube. And with Ghibli...well, Ghibli only does theatrical movies, so it doesn't make as much sense to do that online.
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KanjiiZ
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Einhorn: Japan should never try to sell it's products outside of Japan. They know what anime fan want, but they just don't know how to give it to them. (Please see Bandai Visual (releases of Patlabor) and Toei (Air Master, Slam Dunk).
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kdmccaskill
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torrents are dead, try stopping irc, no way they should do what the film industry did, realize you can't stop illegal downloads and put videos on 1080p blueray so your not buying the anime but the quality of the anime it would take forever to download an 8 gig mkv file Last edited by kdmccaskill on Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:11 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Daemonblue
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Except there's the whole ads thing. There's a reason Google makes money even considering the search engine and them owning youtube... Those who can't see that you can make enough money to support a completely free medium just by using ads are blind. Sure, it might not be the oh so glorious profit margins that everyone has wet dreams about, but it's better than merely breaking even just because you don't want to provide a service to people outside of your little gated community. Anyway, I would hate to live in Australia cause of the monitored internet there, which is a major problem imho. It prevents services such as CR and Hulu from being even more successful by limiting how much a person can do online within a given time frame, which makes them picky about what they want to do. Edit: Also, I know that CR isn't available there, just using it as an example since there are American companies that are trying to push for monitored internet now... |
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CrossoverManiac
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The anime studios would be better off hiring fansubbers and offer live streaming into the US. The strong arm approach backfired on them. Media Factory laid down the law on the fansub sites like AnimeSuki but when they did, most of their anime weren't picked up by the distributors in the US. Looks like history will repeat itself.
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Paploo
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Y'know, if people didn't pirate, dvd prices would probably be lower, and legal streams would probably have a broader audience to get better advertising rates on. And better online/dvd sales records would entice more TV viewings. Less piracy would also mean better resale values for those dvd's. But no, let's just contribute nothing because it's easier. That's lazy. |
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nadir-seen-fire
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Ok, I stand slightly corrected. I can understand Ghibli, I have no problem with them on the list, movies are a different topic. But even though you note they are on Crunchyroll, taking an actual look at the lists still doesn't show much positive about TOEI or Sunrise at all. Both are only dropping a small selection (of their huge amount of published media) onto Crunchyroll after the series are already over. A lot of people (including myself) who would have watched Gundam 00 on CR have already finished the series, not like we're going to re-watch it now that Sunrise finally put it on Crunchyroll (heck, it's not even available to watch on CR yet; They're going to start streaming episode by episode later). Kurokami doesn't even have subtitles, they just idly tossed the dub Crunchyroll's way after it finished. It's nice they are participating, but it doesn't look like either Sunrise or TOEI have bothered to try embracing Crunchyroll's Simulcasts, which is likely the most profitable part of CR. Last edited by nadir-seen-fire on Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:21 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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CrossoverManiac
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Call me cynical, but it would probably be even more expensive. I mean, it's their intellectual property, but it wouldn't surprise me if it did. |
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Navak
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Why would DVD prices be lower? |
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niiica
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It's not like I'm defending the fansubbers, but wouldn't it hurt sales if they start clearing the videos out (outside of China)?
I mean, a lot of people get attracted because they saw an anime on an anime-streaming site, so they end up buying the DVDs, etc. So if they make that disappear, what's going to happen? |
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504NOSON2
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You know, I was in disbelief after reading your post. So, I simply opened a second tab in my browser and brought up YouTube. I did a quick search for "Haruhi Suzumiya episode 1" and countless vids popped up. After loading the stats', much to my surprise, it's exactly as you said. Mst of the people watching the illegal version of the show are in JAPAN--even though ALL of the comments are in English. 
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504NOSON2
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He's saying they'd be lower, because the companies wouldn't be suffering, such as they are now, and wouldn't have to charge so much to, well, stay in business. |
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nadir-seen-fire
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YouTube actually isn't that evil either. YouTube has ContentID: http://www.youtube.com/t/content_management Companies can have their media digitally identified by YouTube. Such that if a user uploaded the media to YouTube (heck, theoretically it should be able to recognize video clips as part of AMVs) and YouTube can be told how to respond to that media automatically. Blocking is one option (but honestly that's just going to drive fan streams to other sites), getting statistics of the content is another, and the most sane option is there to, money can be made off the content. That's probably one thing companies should catch onto. If they upload their own videos to YouTube (ideally they'd do crunchyroll too, personally I'm much more comfortable with Crunchyroll's video portal) they can also content id those videos and make money off them even if people are stupid enough to re-upload the same videos. They could probably make some money off the AMVs and fan parody like "Abridged" series as well. |
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Paploo
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Higher sales=lower prices. More units moved reduces the cost of duplication per disc, packaging, and helps pay for dub production, or if subonly makes it easier to repackage it dirt cheap [just look at the 19.99 boxsets for Loveless and Green Green, two titles which apparently sold well for MB given how many times they've been rereleased] The lower the sales levels, the higher the costs involved, which means prices have to be adjusted to reflect that- that's why subtitled VHS usually retailed for 10 bucks more then dubbed ones [which had better retail penetration at the time], and why titles would get dubs cancelled [Silent Mobius TV on VHS] or never produced [a company would generally release a subbed tape first, and if sales warranted, do a dub version later. Sometimes, you'd get titles that just didn't move at all, and stayed subbed only]. Some TV titles like Fortune Quest got canned after 1 volume. That's why manga publishers are increasing prices [$1 or $2 bucks more, or VIZ's Signature and other mature readers labes] or looking for more costeffective formats that might not match japanese editions [cheaper paper or omnibus editions]- as the manga bubble burst, it became necessary to change things to make things stay profitable ,and keep publishing titles. If a titles sales don't merit it, it WILL get cancelled nowadays, very different from 2003. More DVD sales also means more titles licensed, whcih means more variety, which means more money in the hands of japanese publsihers, which in turn funds more production fo titles that appeal to the R1 market, versus say, stuff aimed at 40 year old Moe enthusiasts like Saki [who else cringed when Square Enix said moe titles like Saki and Bamboo Blade were primarly aimed at 30-40 year old Otaku? No knock against older fans, but I was surprised a little] It's one of the many factors involved in why one boxset will cost $30 for 26 TV episodes, and one will cost $50 for 6 OVA episodes. Sales do count. Why do you think comic shops offer a discount if you preorder? You get a better price because they get an ensured sale. Same with websites offering discounts, or how some stores have customer loyalty programs. DEAR ANIME FANS- Please learn actual economics. NOT Underpants Gnome Economics. You don't just go from "Put out anime" directly to "Profit". There's hard work involed in the middle where you have a "????". Also, better sales mean more shelf space, which means better sales for your local businesses, which means more jobs for you and your friends. More shelf space means anime is more available, and you can stop whining about how they don't have Tsubasa in stock, and that's why you have to read it online [though mind you, you could just special order it anyways] Last edited by Paploo on Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:40 pm; edited 5 times in total |
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