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Dakaran
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Anime deals with most topics on the map and that's great like that. If you don't want to see a series then just don't bother. Slap a tag 16-mature if that's required, which I don't remember series needing that because after that it's like hentai which is especially targeting adults, that doesn't matter at that point because they want it, and I have yet to watch an anime who threats child molesting or what else that would encourage it.
Americans laws need to grow up quite a bit compared to a country thousand years old. I hope there is no lobby being done for that bill because if this passes anime dies in half-cut body. You people realize that don't you?! Like I say read what you want, watch what you want and live your life plenty. Human lives from experiences and experiences come from living, that's a sweet deal isn't it  ?
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hissatsu01
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This seems to be a very commonplace misunderstanding of what censorship is. Disliking/hating something isn't censorship. Government dictating what content is allowed is censorship. I'm completely against the proposed bill (which even before it got put on hold was likely never going to survive committee). It would ban an awful lot of content, much of which doesn't bother me and much of which I find repugnant. But even if it the bill was perfectly tailored to only target the most vile of loli-porn, I'd still be against it. And I'd still find that stuff disgusting. Believing that something is disgusting/immoral, yet being against its censorship is not a contradiction unless you are incapable of separating your personal morals/preferences from what you believe should be legal/illegal. |
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Drunk_Samurai
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"Remember that just because I am against censorship, it doesn't mean I let shows with questionable content slide though just because I am against censorship." That implies they support the censorship of it also. |
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Tempest
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Everyone here has been saying the opposite of that. They have been saying "Just because I hate certain titles doesn't mean I think they should be censored. " -t |
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Drunk_Samurai
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That quote I posted says otherwise. |
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darksharingan
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Exactly, how many non-kodomo anime can anyone list that's completely 'clean'? All I can name is Gundam Wing. Everything else will have to be edited down or destroyed altogether. |
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loka
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I really don't understand how the movie industry gets a free pass to sexualize minors while the drawn entertainment industries are targeted.
And you're just wasting your time trying to convince the KnJ haters. It's above them, and probably always will be. |
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LondinCalling
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might want to raise the age of consent first.
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ikillchicken
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That would be totally unfair if not for the small fact that this statement is ridiculous. If you honestly think that live action can get away with anything even close to what drawn entertainment has been for ages then I really must question if you've actually ever picked up a manga. Even if this bill is passed the movie industry will still in all likelihood have less leeway.
Uh...that's sort of the whole point innit? To defend the artists right to freedom of expression even if though you might think what they choose to express is disgusting. |
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sharonlover
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Uh...that's sort of the whole point innit? To defend the artists right to freedom of expression even if though you might think what they choose to express is disgusting.[/quote] QFT I think people were misunderstanding the original point of that post, because I'm in somewhat the same boat. While I may not agree with what a mangaka creates, it is merely a drawing. While it disgusts me, I don't think it should ban people from being able to draw such content. You can not agree with a form of art but still want freedom of expression. |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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As others have said that's the whole point. Just because we think something is disgusting, in bad taste, or crude doesn't mean it should be censored or illegal. Artists should be able to express themselves without fear of censorship no matter how distasteful their art may be to some, or most, people. That's why it's called artistic expression. Manga artists should be able to draw what they want just as a painter should be able to draw Nazi related paintings if they want. Or just as someone should be able to speak their mind and preach whatever they want. Freedom of speech and expression should be the rights of every human being on this planet period. Even if the people use that right to create "disgusting garbage" in the minds of others.
Just as most die hard KNJ fans can't seem to take 5 seconds to get off their pedestal with their kneejerk reactions and see why others might find the series questionable and in bad taste. No, the KNJ haters are all elitist snobs right? We all just are censorship nazis and just don't get it as it's above us. 
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Lycosyncer
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@ Psycho 101 QFT Thank you for getting my point across. @ Drunk_Samurai As you can probably guess, I am NOT a fan of moe/lolicon or anything that sexualizes little girls that it creates discomfort among some people (me included). To say that it doesn't is rather dishonest. To be fair though, if the relationships between the older male/female love interest and the underage male/female love interest is handled tastefully without added sexuality involved or make us see it as too creepy, I can at least admit that I could tolerate it. spoiler[At least CLAMP has more class and dignity is when in Card Captor Sakura, grade school student Rika Sasaki is in love with her WAY older teacher Yoshiyuki Terada and even vice versa for the teacher. In the manga, he gave her a special ring which obviously implies that he is proposing to her to be his wife but only when she becomes of legal age and she accepted it. Everything else that involves the two in the series is handled tastefully without being TOO creepy and that is where CCS succeeds in doing in where KnJ failed to do so and it's called good taste and class.] There's plenty of good, great, and even bad anime out there with questionable content involved and if you say that just because we are against censorship, does it mean that we can't be objective to said material in how it is handled? To me, I don't think so. |
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chicogrande
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They should start by calling it something else besides "Virtual Child Porn". It makes me feel guilty when I watch "Kiki's Delivery Service."
I'm glad they'll take the time to discuss this. |
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darksharingan
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The fact is, if this was about hentai ONLY then it would make sense, but even the slightest sexual humour is frowned upon? Come on, it's just too extreme, who cares? They're just drawings!
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Redbeard 101
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That is a good point. I mean we're not talking about cases of 10-14 year old girls being molested, raped, or anything involving tentacles. Such things are a given no-no and even the hentai world treads lightly on some topics. This is all involving possible questionable material that may or may not cross some imaginary line of what is or is not acceptable. In other words panty shots, the infamous lotion bit from DVB, sexual innuendos, etc. Stuff that is not outright sexual or at least the degree of sexuality is not. It's left up to personal interpretation. None of though involves actually sex or porn. So calling this bill a virtual child porn bill is just another example of how poorly worded and drawn up the bill itself is. Right down to the title. |
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