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Tuor_of_Gondolin
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I pretty much agree with the illustrator, Toshiko Hasumi. Still, this is a pretty hot political issue and I'm a bit surprised that ANN would be inviting comment about it.
At any rate, if it were my country, I'd want my government to keep out all of the invaders. Probably won't happen as there are people who can make some serious political hay over this issue. |
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Eigengrau
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Yeah, some of them read as an open invitation to go full Godwin without a hint of irony.
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Top Gun
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I don't know this artist from Adam, but I do know that she's a total asshole.
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Lemonchest
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Don't worry, Toshiko Hasumi. If you feel the need to seek asylum from Japanese commenters, it looks like ANN readers will support you.
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SilverTalon01
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While I don't disagree with that, it doesn't mean there isn't a valid point. There are absolutely instances of 'refugees' not wanting to stay in a perfectly safe country and aiming for germany / sweeden because of the better benefits. At that point the person is an economic migrant and it is dishonest to pretend they are a refugee to exploit further financial assistance. I have absolutely no idea what percentage of them are legitimate refugees versus economic migrants, and I think it would be incredibly difficult to get a real number. I'd like to think it is a small minority. However, the issue should be looked into because it is a legitimate concern. Germany and Sweeden are being overwhelmed by refugees. Germany is cramming them into school gyms and tent camps. If part of this strain is coming from people who aren't really refugees, that is a problem for all of the legitimate refugees as well as the people of the host country. Though I do think that this illustration is a pretty low blow because it is essentially equating it to a little kid saying something like 'I wanna be a doctor when i grow up' which makes light of what is a serious and real problem. |
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MajorZero
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Is this some kind of neo-nazi central? I thought I was browsing ANN.
As for article itself, well, what do you expect from Japanese right-wing? Delusional people who still believe that they can restore japanese supremacy in Asia, people who willing to go to war with China, people who refuse to accept war crimes. |
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samuelp
Industry Insider
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The thing is the negative Japanese reaction to this isn't about people disagreeing with her so much as Japanese people being embarrassed that she would so outwardly express an opinion that I highly suspect a majority of the Japanese people hold.
How many of those Japanese people who want her to remove it are offering to take in refugees here in Japan, then? Anybody? This is rooted very very deep. Japan is one of the nations with the lowest amount of charitable giving of any country in the world (119th, I think it was?) Lack of sympathy towards refugees is just another aspect of it. You can trace it all the way back to a lack of Christian morality teaching probably. |
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AnimenexuS
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Well this poster ,Gets Donald Trumps Seal of Approval.
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meruru
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Ugh, do we really have to start with making generalizations about Japan too?
Incidentally, there's a whole lot of conservative people who identify as Christian that are also very much against many of these charity related issues, such as helping illegal immigrants or the migrants, increasing money spent on welfare and so forth. Enough I think to disprove your supposition that Christianity has something to do with it. |
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Hellsoldier
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Eh, just how many people do you think can host refugees in their homes?Most people are just middle-class, you know? And about morality... Germany and Sweden, countries that are keen on receiving refugees, are largely Irreligious... Meanwhile, many Christians in America think Muslims are the Untermench. God damn 9/11. Not only was it a terrible day for the world, it also brought us nothing but trouble afterwards. PS: Agreed with comment above. Last edited by Hellsoldier on Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:28 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Gilarack
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This. I am very disappointed by the shocking bulk of paranoia in this forum too. Where is this coming from? I am from Germany and so far the refugee situation has not negatively effected my life in any way or form and I don't expect it to, but I hope it made it a whole lot better for all the people in need. |
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dtm42
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Okay, this has to be a joke on your part. Surely you aren't that fundamentalist.
Precisely. If you have the luxury of picking which peaceful country to move to then you aren't a refugee who is desperate to make it to safety, you're a discerning migrant who is simply looking for the nicest place to settle down. There are women and children still stuck in warzones or living in the squalor of UN refugee camps. They should be the ones who get preferential treatment as to refugee applications. Not healthy young rich* men* who queue jump by paying people smugglers to get them into the Western nation of their choosing. * If you don't think they are/were rich, then note that we're not talking absolute wealth but relative wealth. You try and come up with a lump sum of cash several times the average yearly salary of your country. Not so easy, is it? Oh, and you can't sell your house because who wants to move into a warzone? * The media focus on the women and children because it makes good T.V., but the reality is that seventy-five percent of the "refugees" in Europe are working-aged men who could quite easily be fighting Assad and/or IS. But sponging off Western European social welfare systems is so much easier. Last edited by dtm42 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:39 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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SilverTalon01
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That isn't really fair nor are you onto anything with your religion comment. In terms of foreign aid, Japan was 5th in 2012 (http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-doners-of-foreigner-aid-map.html) it is pretty much on the level of comparable Christian majority nations. That is really closer to the kind of statistic you should be looking at because it is about helping people aside from citizens of your country. I'm guessing you're talking about the World Giving Index which isn't actually based on how much anyone gave. France is also basically right there with Japan. The whole christian morality reasoning is a load of crap. |
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nargun
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Fascism is the political manifestation of the same analytical approach that gets you comic-book-guy nerdery in literature. |
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supersqueak
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I can understand being wary about the influx of refugees into your country and being worried about the negative effects but this illustration and the accompanying text is really shitty. I mean painting out all refugees fleeing danger and violence in their country as only being opportunistic con-artists is just really damn low.
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