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leafy sea dragon
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Alliterations are always amusing, although antonymous attitudes are also altogether acceptable.
To an American, most things from Japan that aren't cars or TVs would be more obscure than domestic stuff. When you're talking about depictions of Native American stereotypes in stuff like Wild Arms, Cyborg 009, or Mega Man 6, chances are people who would complain about this sort of thing hadn't even heard about them, or don't know about them enough to complain about them.
Also the Seminoles in Florida. I remember that team's name was under attack until the chief of the Seminoles stepped up and said he felt honored to have a football team as good as they are named after his peope.
What they're afraid of is not lowered sales (in the short term), but of the wrong people discovering it and creating a media spectacle over it (and the negative PR can cause sales drops in the long term). We're in an age where a high-profile person can say something bigoted and it marks that person for the rest of their lives. |
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Snakebit1995
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I believe FSU has gone out of their way to obtain official approval from the Seminole people and a representative of the Tribe is present at games to insure that the pregame ceremonial spear throw is done in a respectful and honorable manor. Also on the Indians, that is generic enough to be justifiable as a team name, I think they recently even changed their Team Logo to be more respectful. The Redskins float in an odd area, the name is offensive, but I think if you went up to most strangers on the street and just asked "What's the first thing that comes to mind when I say Redskins." most people would probably say the Football team, not a racial slur. |
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Mr. Oshawott
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Thanks for the info; I've edited the post to include that. |
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Covnam
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Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out. Turns out Destructoid had a news piece on it as well: http://www.destructoid.com/goodbye-zipper-panties-kiria-wears-pants-in-genei-ibun-roku-fe-324106.phtml |
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Levitz9
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Diverity based on stereotypes is no better than not being represented at all. I'm Puerto Rican; if someone's going to put a Puerto-Rican character in something, telling me I should be happy because the character is a drunk, poncho-wearing man with a sombrero and not another white guy is an insult. You don't get diversity by just propagating stereotypes. You get it by showing people as people and not costumes. |
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TrustTheFungus
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Is this really racist? Looking at the costume the aspects that look Native American to me are: leather clothes with tassels, tribal tattoos, and decorative feathers. Were any or all of these never part of traditional Native American outfits? If they are, is it really racist? How is it any more racist than a samurai class with traditional Japanese armor? I don't know anything about Native American history or culture, so this is an honest question coming from my ignorance.
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Dessa
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It's not even a historical thing. Right now, in the US, there are lawsuits and issues with portrayals of Native Americans. The most obvious one is the stuff with the Washington Redskins ("redskin" being a derogatory term). The Johnny Depp Lone Ranger movie, where a white man played a Native American (despite plenty of Native American actors available for the role) also stirred it up.
What it comes down to, is that Native American portrayals, especially those done without Native American input, is a very sensitive subject, and could lead to lawsuits and major protests. I agree that it needed to be changed for US release (EU is another matter), because despite all the "censorship" claims from "fans," as soon as the media at large got a hold of the Native American outfit (remember, it's an Asterisk. Which means your blatantly white characters will have these outfits as well), there'd be such a blow up, and likely calls for it to be banned. I'd rather a change in outfit than the mass media backlash. As for Tomahawk becoming Gunslinger (I believe that's the new name), there aren't a whole lot of gun-toting "base classes" in media. Especially if they're going for a "wild west" idea (not sure if they are, but it is a possibility), a cowboy makes sense. Especially since there's minimal editing to the costume (basically, they took away the paint and added a hat) to make it work. Quite frankly, guns make more sense for a cowboy class than a Native American class to start with. |
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BadNewsBlues
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When did they start portraying Puerto Ricans with the same level of flair that's usually reserved for Mexicans? |
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NearEasternerJ1
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Most Puerto Ricans ARE white, though. In fact, more so than the USA proper, which is about 72% white, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Puerto_Ricans "Hispanic" is not a race. You do realize that White Spaniards, which include Basques are ALSO Hispanic, right? Same with the term "Latino". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentines_of_European_descent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans |
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NearEasternerJ1
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One of the definitions of "Native" is simply being born, which would mean close to 90% of Americans are native. This "native" crap is annoying. Most Americans are native.
I was born in Canada to a Yemeni-Jew and a Qatari Muslim. I may be "ancestrally" native to the Southern part of the Arabian Peninsula, but I was born and raised in Canada, so thus native, since I was born there. Me being 100% Arab doesn't mean I'm not a Canadian native. Me not being a member a First Nations member doesn't mean I'm not native. |
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Chester McCool
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What stereotype did Aimee have? She wasn't slapping her palm against her mouth repeatedly howling and screaming like those old Looney Tunes depictions. She was just a warrior from a small tribe.
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NearEasternerJ1
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Don't compare changes in games to changes in anime. It's not a like for like. Two. Completely different mediums. Anime is animation and thus is life. To strip anime of its content is to strip life out of it. What some girl said in a game is irrelevant. Only gameplay matters. |
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Levitz9
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I'm going to ask that you not be that insultingly pedantic towards me about how Puerto Ricans like me look, seeing as I live in Puerto Rico, my sister is a passing-for-white Puerto Rican (that was lots of fun in elementary school, lemme tell ya), and that Puerto Rico's history with Spain is, y'know, basic school material here in Puerto Rico. Don't tell me how I'm supposed to work just because you read Wikipedia. You failed to note anything decent about my post, either. My point still stands: if your representation is only going to be the most basic, stereotypical depiction possible, you're not doing POC a favor. Don't put a poncho on someone and say, "Here, Latinos! You're being represented!", don't smach feathered headdresses on someone and say, "Here, First Nations! You can be heroes, too!" |
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NearEasternerJ1
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Most U.S. Latinos are not POC, though. A person of color is anyone who is not white, which excludes most American Latinos. It also excludes most Argentinean and Uruguayan peoples.
Besides, most white Brits are given the most ridiculous stereotypes. It's less racial and more civic. White Americans have nothing in common with the typical White continental European. |
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Snakebit1995
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Except that Johnny Depp is actually part Native American(Or so he claims) Still that movie was really bad anyway so expecting a serious racial treatment from it is reaching. This is reminding more and more of that terrible John Oliver Video from a few weeks back about Whitewashing. I normally like Last Week Tonight but that video was so misinformed and cherry picking of evidence that it sighted classic films of an era when it was okay to be racist had have white's play other races more. |
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