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3rdImpakt
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You clearly aren't understanding our posts and quotes of what you meant OUTSIDE the context of children's shows, which was what we said didn't make sense. (USA hates sex). Referring to your examples.... I just don't understand why you chose one from a video game and one from a video game adaptation. On top of that, you used words like "Dyke-looking" in your description which is kind of inappropriate and claim "beastiality" implications because there are anthropomorphised characters which is a bit much....(especially considering anthroporomophisism is common across all sorts of children's cartoon). Even further, you claim that the super serious "BDSM" joke is likely just a bad translation of something along lines of a tamer line common even in NA children's cartoons like "you must like being tied up" or something, which has implications but is rather tame. For Mother is "she's a model but it's implied she takes nudes" also... Really not a big deal or that relevant to the discussion this thread is about. Big time fanservice and sexuality in anime. We're talking bouncing tits, groping, ass shots, panties and all that good stuff. Not some little bits of suggestive dialogue. |
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Mojojotaro
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Im still curious how the hell Gintama manage to still alive on a primetime/6pm slot from 2006 until 2016 with naked men, woman in S/M dress, plenty of dick and poop humor, few boob grabbing, banter and insults to local celebrities and government officials.
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See more glass
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Ah, I see; I mostly mentioned kids stuff 'cause people brought up One Piece.
Modern adults' sexy stuff has a controversy in the USA for a lot of reasons; 1) lack of quality plot & characters, 2) increased presence of lolicon, 3} often misogynistic in nature, 4) lack of value besides sexiness (at least Minna Agechau had funny comedy), to name a few. (I'm not thrilled with it.) |
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Jose Cruz
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There are many ecchi manga published in the most popular manga magazines. Actually the adult manga magazines with the highest popularity often have covers like this: 
Erotization and manga have always been very close as many manga magazines often have have playboy style pictures of women inserted in them. Of course, having some ecchi manga included is perfectly natural. That also applies to shounen titles among the most popular magazines. So I don't think they ecchi content in itself is regarded as not mainstream although its true that in the case of anime only late night stuff has ecchi content and it's usually much more mild than in manga.
If you ask Americans about the most popular adult novels released in recent years most Americans have never heard of them either. That doesn't mean that literature is not popular in the US. I asked a Japanese economist about manga and he said he liked Monster by the way, which is a good example of mainstream adult manga.
I guess that depends on the age of the person in question. Because I guess most college aged people and under are aware of late night anime since in a survey from 2014 about 40% of Japanese college students claimed to be otakus and the most common hobby was anime. I guess that they are watching late night shows. I had the impression that this idea that anime is made for children was actually mostly valid until the boom in late night anime that happened in the early 2000s and it is only in recent years that the volume of late night anime produced surpassed children's daytime anime. So maybe the popular perception of anime being just for kids might eventually vanish over the coming decades as the people who are young today will grow older.
I find interesting that to be the case because it directly contradict important elements in Western cultural ideology. More precisely, the West believes that it's is a more individualistic culture while they believe that Japan is a collectivist culture. But nothing is more collectivistic than the desire to force people into comforming to common aesthetic. standards and nothing is more individualistic than respecting the individuality of interest and taste. So in that sense Japan is the true individualistic culture while the West is collectivist. |
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Kadmos1
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What DxD epi. is the thumbnail of?
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jr240483
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oh really. if that was the case, then why was it that some ecchi series like UQ Holder, highschool dxd, queens blade, tsugumomo and many others got heavily edited when it was shown on channel AT-X which is pretty much the equivalence of Starz, HBO ,Cinemax & Showtime in japan???? and even some of their DVDs were edited as well. the only versions of those show that are uncensored are ours since our laws aren't that restricted! then there was the tokyo youth ordinance law that got passed by shinzo abe's govt which what some otaku fans have called "the anti otaku gov't"! so while the fanservice is indeed there, its unfortunately not as blatant or obvious anymore cause having it on that level is pretty much going to get that series the auto censorship hammer dropped on it!
not necessarily. thanks to the TYO law, the metric tons of ecchi series and porn in general that japan use to produce have been extremely limited from what i can tell. combined with the restrictions on censorships and the overbearing popularity of some non ecchi titles, and i can see the genre being in serious trouble after 2020! especially if mr anti otaku shinzo abe and his party gets reelected! |
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Jonny Mendes
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I know that one magazine Weekly Young Magazine. Fun fact: Akira, Chobits, Prison School, xxxHolic, are from that magazine. That cover is pretty tame if compared with others Seinen magazines. If you ever visit Akihabara, try and enter places that sell manga and look for the seinen manga. You will think that you entered some adult store that are selling Gravure Idol magazines. My perception when I was in Japan in work and in vacation was that most work colleges never heard of many of the new late night anime. But when i visit Comiket and talked with friends of mine that here on the cosplay community, many young adults there still are familiar with some late night anime. It is when they start working that they lost connection with the anime. But still if you look at the all population that watch TV. The ones that are familiar with Late night anime are still a niche. And fans of the most Fan-service heavy are even more niche. About the culture. Japan have a culture of work for the good of community and that individualism is bad for the community. When it come to hobbies and other personal matters, they prefer that people keep those things for themselves and don't make a fuss about it. Keep the personal matters personal so it don't make things bad for all community.
The law is a local Tokyo Metropolitan Assembly law from Tokyo governor Shintarou Ishihara (an independent at the time and the founder of Japan Restoration Party), and only the Japanese Communist Party and the Tokyo Seikatsusha Network, voted against the law. By the way, the Prime Minister at the time was Naoto Kan from the Democratic Party of Japan. Because most of the industry are located in Tokyo, this law affected all country. Last edited by Jonny Mendes on Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:02 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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configspace
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@Jonny Mendes
While not everyone is familiar with late night anime, everyone reads manga and the same aesthetics and prevalence of fanservice are present in manga. And mainstream manga and anime and their related merchandise (games and figures) such as One Piece, Fairy Tail, Dragon Ball all have fanservice, and yet, it does not cause the same commotion as it would in the west, particularly in America. Most people are familiar with Lupin the 3rd in Japan, and the advertisements for Lupin III Fujiko Mine used a nude figure of her. A lof of the risque ads and designs both using real people and drawn characters I saw in Tokyo a while back would absolutely not fly in America. CBLDF documents lots of current cases of schools--we're talking about highschools, young adults, ready for college, not elementary or younger--and parents stirring controversy and getting manga from school and community libraries removed because of relatively light fanservice. Many years ago, Dragonball was removed from Toy'R'Us when a parent called the police over claims of porn in the manga (due to nuidty) and Viz has forever censored DB since then. So I contend the lack of commotion among mainstream in Japan and the difference in attitude is not due to ignorance, or keeping ones hobbies to oneself, or merely not meddling to find out (implying that people would react the same in Japan as they do in the US if they did) as the premise of this column. Rather than individualism I'd say there is a cultural difference in expressing views towards the body and differences in sexuality in general. Japan still has a nude communal bathing culture and up until near the end of the Meiji era nearly all baths were mixed gender. Today non-muslim Asian countries are the only countries where booth babes are still present in major, mainstream conventions, while booth babes have vanished in the US. And in Japan, you don't have the same reservations about discussing bodily features, people casually commenting about body types, (e.g. fat, tall, muscular, skinny, short, facial features, etc) and looks, discussing pretty women or handsome men etc. In contrast, this is a major, major taboo in the US. Example of how big of a taboo: https://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/06/brent-musburger-katherine-webb-aj-mccarron-comments-bcs-title-game-video-2013-espn For comparison I have seen a Japanese sportscaster mention on air how a female boxer was quite the bishoujo and zero controversy came of it. |
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Jonny Mendes
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Yes I agree. Like i said in my first post "Is different if we are talking about manga or LN books because many people read them even as adults. But that is not true if you talk about anime " I lost count of how many times you can see people reading manga and LN's on public transportation. Last edited by Jonny Mendes on Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:15 am; edited 1 time in total |
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DanQ
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Not anime, but manga: Go Nagai's "Harenchi Gakuen" is pretty famous for being pioneering ecchi manga, and there was public uproar about immorality of manga, destroying innocent childrens morale...
It never gets anime adaptation, but there were Live Action TV series and movies... |
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Chrno2
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I have it. LOL!! I just still haven't watched it yet. I did mention that. Guess when I rant things get buried. LOL. 
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melton80
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Most anime watchers i know dont hate Ecchi cause of jiggly boobs, they have a problem when those boobs are on UNDER AGED girls, is there an Ecchi out there that doesnt include middle school/high school girls (basically kids) tits bouncing around and being sexualized?
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Errinundra
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Posts deleted. Don't feed the trolls.
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鏡
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Great thread and article!
Last edited by 鏡 on Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:00 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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