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Vaisaga
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They could have still had approximations like the other girls' routes. I mean, they started Tomoyo's arc, but during the middle of her trying to get elected the plotline is dropped in favour of Nagisa. And in that exact same scene you have the twins randomly start crying with the implication they know they can't be with Tomoya. I know how it happened: They tried to match Kanon's pacing but then eventually realised Clannad has more heroines so they had to drop some and focus on Nagisa when they got near the end. Like Kanon and Makoto's arc, Fuuko's arc dragged on for too long. If they had cut that a bit they'd have had more time. |
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Chagen46
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Except Spielberg didn't intend to make a realistic story. Clannad is supposed to be a realistic, down-to-earth story. Due to that, any fakeness is a lot more noticeable. |
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vinamara
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Except Clannad has supernatural elements in it, so I don't get what made you say that it was supposed to be realistic. There's such a thing as artistic license, and I believe Key made good use of that. |
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The King of Harts
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Did you get the feeling that it's supposed to be realistic when a 16 year old girl beat up a group of hooligans by herself using kicks that are so fast they're nothing but blue blurs? Was it was the spoiler[spirit of the girl in a coma walking around, talking, and interacting with all the people] that gave you that idea that this is realistic? Oh, maybe the alternate universe that's populated by the AFTER STORY SPOILER spoiler[the spirit of the main character's dead child and a robot made of junk] gave you that impression! If you watched Clannad and thought it was going for realistic after the first 3 episodes, that's your problem, not Clannads. |
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GWOtaku
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You can have totally unrealistic things going on and still write earnest, credible drama. Sounds like Clannad does not do so.
I know exactly where this review is coming from. I severely disliked Air for pretty much the reasons presented here; it felt like I was being served this excessive and overwhelming barrage of tragedy porn. If Clannad is anything like that, then I made a good decision to drop it early. I can handle sad stuff within reason and context goes a very, very long way on this (shoot, I got through Arcadia of My Youth, which is crammed with tragedy) but I don't want a show going out of its way to exploit weak spots, then stab them, and then twist the knife just to make sure I'm feeling it. |
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Key
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Oh, I like this term. It doesn't apply quite so much to the first series, but the second half of Clannad After Story definitely falls into that description. |
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Otaking09
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Well yeah, the characters are the biggest flaws we can "visably" see. Once you notice that the series is divided into spoiler[arcs] then it doesn't take a genius to predict how each one ends... Therefore, a booby trap is a likely analogy.
That's what affects them; there's nothing wrong with taking the same material and coming up with something different. |
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Hypeathon
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Just so I can understand what you're saying, do you thnk the characters being believable in terms of their human behavior would be consiered writing earnest, credible drama to you?
Justin Sevakis actually used this term in an early episode of ANNCast to describe a movie that sounded similar to what happens in Clannad After Story (at least thougt so). Maybe you've already listened to that episode, bt I just wanted to refer to it anyway. Last edited by Hypeathon on Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:50 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Chagen46
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You said what I wanted to say a lot better. I simply cannot stand a show going "CRY DAMMIT" and going to ridiculous extremes to make me sad. If you're going to have a lot of tear-jerking scenes, be somewhat subtle about it. Let the scenes speak for themselves. From what I've heard, Key doesn't do that. They just smash you with the angst like a sledgehammer. |
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Mesonoxian Eve
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Thankfully, he screwed it up and made it realistic.
Thankfully, Key and KyoAni screwed it up and made it a fantasy. |
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Megiddo
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I never liked the term 'manipulative' as some sort of detriment. The way I see it, if I, the viewer, am not being manipulated in some way, shape, or form by whatever I'm watching then I would say that is a bad thing. Or maybe I'm reading nonfiction about a non-engaging subject. But anyway, entertainment is meant to evoke some sort of response for the most part. And to say that one is manipulative is to say that they are all manipulative, which is true. But again, is that a bad thing? Well, I guess that's up to the viewer/reader/listener. Though if something doesn't produce any sort of reaction out of me, then I would generally say it failed.
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Fifth B
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As a huge Key fanboy, I actually really appreciated this review. It really is impossible to deny that Key shows are emotionaly manipulative in their content, so I honestly don't see why some people are getting bent out of shape about that. What's important is, do you mind being manipulated? If emotional manipulation and pandering are handled well, in other words, if it does not come across as insincere or crass, then I don't mind one bit. I would argue that the Key shows are some of the best examples of emotional manipulation and fan pandering being done right in anime, and I for one appreciate the craftsmanship and effect.
This right here. The characters may not be realistic, but then, neither are many characters from other highly acclaimed shows. Doesn't mean you can't like them. I really like the characters in Clannad, and I find them quite endearing, even if they are quite artificial at times. I don’t mind if fictional characters are far from realistic. I will say though, that I did find Clannad to be the most strained of the Key shows, in that at times it does feel as if they are simply rehashing old techniques and storylines which have worked for them before. Fuuko is a perfect example, with her story being almost identical to spoiler[Ayu Tsukimiya's] story arc in Kanon (which I personally feel is the best of the Key trifecta). And too often, the insertion of Tomoya into many, if not most, of the supporting characters' stories often does feel a little forced. From the looks of things, though, I will probably be triple dipping for the first time in all my years as an anime nerd in order to see this show on blu-ray. Sounds like it looks gorgeous.
I never thought I would live to see the day when somebody honestly compared Clannad to Schindler's List. I can't tell if you're trolling or twisted, but either way, this makes me very, very sad. |
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Mesonoxian Eve
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Thanks for proving the only reason you posted was to see your name highlighted on a forum. Here's a tip for you: context is not what a criminal does with a stolen cell phone. |
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GWOtaku
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That is important, though I would suggest that the true bottom line is that the viewer needs something substantive that he or she can relate to. It takes a genuine connection for true resonance to be achieved. Pure, 100% realism isn't the standard though. Roger Ebert once wrote that "It's in the very nature of animation to make absurd visual sights more plausible." Similarly, much of the fun of fiction is to connect us to something interesting, abnormal or maybe even outright fantastic. |
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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alright i am just asking some one that personally owns the dvd's from sentai "sub only" is there really a reason to rebuy this besides the dub? I know blu-ray is nice "believe me I have few sets my self" but eh this is money that can go towards me buying the visual novel instead or re-buying it on higher def.
On the review clannad nice job Carl.. it's hard to review from my point of view. I did my best trying to review the visual novel but even then I still think I could have personally done better. This is one of those shows that people are going to love or hate no matter what. |
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