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sailorstarsun wrote:

Hoppy800 wrote:

I'm surprised you haven't tried NND yet.

I don't know what that is. Confused

Nico Nico Douga, a video sharing website. If you ever see a Youtube video or a parody in an anime where Japanese comments fly across the screen, this is the website this comes from. Here's the anime streaming page. Apparently only the first episodes are free, after which you pay with points that you can either buy or somehow win, but since I was in Japan for only three months I never bothered finding out how this works. IIRC Sailor Moon Crystal was shown there with English and other subs, but I have no idea how common this is for other series. A VPN is probably the easier option.

Alan45 wrote:

@mangamuscleWith the possible exception of a few recently invented, all of those substances were illegal prior to that act.

Pirating is also illegal here and now, but you do not see jails full of people prosecuted by law enforcement for finding illegal mp3s in their phones. Criminalization of what people do for entertainment (no matter how wrong people think is is) is NEVER the solution, not with Nixon's (neverneding) war on drugs, not with Obama's TPP.

Before someone says, it is obvious the mp3 example could happen in Japan with the TPP, but not in the USA, but it might happen later on since the constitution does not say AFAIK something that prevents piracy from be tried in a civil court and not in a criminal court (like in Japan), you only need a change of the law, not the constitution.

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vonPeterhof wrote:

Nico Nico Douga, a video sharing website. If you ever see a Youtube video or a parody in an anime where Japanese comments fly across the screen, this is the website this comes from. Here's the anime streaming page.

It's now known as just "Nico Nico". Wink

zrnzle500 wrote:

1) Most of the debate, both among the parties and among the citizens of those countries, about the treaty has been about the non tariff and trade barrier portions. Those portions are the least controversial ones except I guess for those who are anti free trade.

Not by what I hear from NHK World's Newsline.

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2) China is not party to the treaty or the talks. Their building of islands is concerning and the US has challenged their exclusion of navigation. They claim the South China Sea more than just because it has China in it (natural resources mainly). If anything it's the opposite, its called the South China Sea because China claims it, among others, and I guess proximity.

Problem is several other nations that are closer to those reefs and atolls also claim sovereignty of them, like the Philippines, Vietnam, and the smaller island nations in that region of water. China is just muscling in with arrogance aggressively challenging anyone to do something about it, with Cold War style secrecy . Next to the Middle east and Syria, this has the potential to be yet another large theatre of war in the Pacific that most except those around that region have not even heard about.

The FBI being able to enforce Japanese copyrights is a bit concerning. Not that it's a terrible thing mind you, but I have quite a few friends who tend to torrent anime a lot. Up until now, they've been able to do it unhindered because nobody was going to go after them for it. But if this passes(Which it most certainly will.), it begs the question: Would the FBI go after people who've torrented/downloaded previously, or only those who do it once the TPP becomes official? And it also begs the question, how far would they take it? Would they fine you? Or would they slap the cuffs on you and give you a criminal record? All these little fears eating away at me and it's driving me nuts.

@Nyren

Did you ever read the FBI notice that has been on DVDs and Blurays for years? At least a portion of the anime posted on line has been illegally ripped from those disks. Every hear of mass numbers of people being prosecuted for that?

The FBI, like any other government agency, has fund limits and must set priorities about what to investigate. Given current world events, I don't see them putting a lot of people into investigating copyright violations without pressure from the rights holders. And then it would likely be limited to pressure from rights holders with a significant political clout.

Even if peace broke out and they started cracking down on intellectual property violations you would get a lot of warning. I doubt they would target anime until they had made significant inroads into the pirating of current US films and TV. At that they would go after the hosting sites first. Individuals downloading shows would be real low on the priority list.

Alan45 wrote:

@Nyren

Did you ever read the FBI notice that has been on DVDs and Blurays for years? At least a portion of the anime posted on line has been illegally ripped from those disks. Every hear of mass numbers of people being prosecuted for that?

The FBI, like any other government agency, has fund limits and must set priorities about what to investigate. Given current world events, I don't see them putting a lot of people into investigating copyright violations without pressure from the rights holders. And then it would likely be limited to pressure from rights holders with a significant political clout.

Even if peace broke out and they started cracking down on intellectual property violations you would get a lot of warning. I doubt they would target anime until they had made significant inroads into the pirating of current US films and TV. At that they would go after the hosting sites first. Individuals downloading shows would be real low on the priority list.

You have a point. Thanks for clearing things up and setting the record straight.

@Nyren

Something I should add. Keep in mind that if something like piracy is illegal there is always the possibility that the authorities will crack down on it. Occasionally they will try to make an example of a few individuals. If you are one of those your life will suck for a while.

Currently the odds are with you though, especially with foreign copyright.

I don't pirate anything. That way I don't have to worry about law enforcement and I don't have to contrive elaborate justifications as to why what I'm doing should be legal. However, each person is responsible for himself. YMMV.

@sailorstarsun

You might also try Amazon. I've only used .JP for very limited reasons, but at least in the US, you can purchase shows or just single episodes of series and keep them in a queue through Instant Video. Here is a link to an article I came across in a cursory Google search. According to this August post, it's coming. Don't know if it will be a success, but it might help you out if it does.

http://variety.com/2015/digital/asia/amazon-prime-instant-video-japan-netflix-1201579340/

There are a lot of internet sites posting the story too, but this is a good breakdown of the service. If indeed it does work, there are online tutorials that can help you set it up.

Edit: I spoke before checking, but I actually did not find any tutorials up yet. However, the internet is vast. If one isn't up yet, you can probably contact Amazon customer support for help too.

sailorstarsun wrote:

Hoppy800 wrote:

I'm surprised you haven't tried NND yet.

I don't know what that is. Confused

sailorstarsun wrote:

zrnzle500 wrote:

If you want to access legitimate US streaming sites, you can just get a VPN. You can find a free one if you want.

I don't know what that is, either.

You haven't been trying very hard, have you?

IP law, at least in the U.S., is a joke. Big book publishers, big video game publishers, big record companies, and especially Hollywood have been pushing for the deck to be stacked ever more in their favor. Erosion of fair use provisions, attempts to undermine the First-sale Doctrine (exemplified by the industry push towards digital media), the push to criminalize infringement (as opposed to infringement being a civil matter), repeated extensions of copyright terms well beyond their original terms, and pushes for Congress to pass laws like SOPA and trade agreements like the TPP. We're less than 8 years away from Steamboat Willie lapsing into the public domain, and you can be damn sure that lobbyists from Disney and other companies will be in Washington yet again to demand yet another copyright term extension beyond the current term lengths (life +70 years for works of individual authorship; 95 years from publication/120 years from creation for pseudonymous/anonymous woks and "works for hire," a.k.a. works of corporate authorship). And according to a 2003 SCotUS ruling, any copyright term extension, so long as it specifies a finite term, is Constitutional, so even a term of 200, 2000, or even a million years would be technically legal under current jurisprudence. That continually moving the goalposts makes copyright effectively indefinite doesn't matter, a classic case of adhering to the letter of the law while simultaneously going against the spirit of the law.

I'm sure the Founders didn't have this in mind when they crafted the Copyright Clause, which states that Congress has the power "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries." The first copyright law passed by Congress, the Copyright Act of 1790, provided for a term of 14 years with the option to renew for one additional 14-year term, for a maximum of 28 years. Copyright wasn't intended to be a functionally perpetual money-making scheme for the authors (and their descendants) or the publishers, but that's what the current state of IP law in America is like, and it's just going to keep getting worse.

You guys do not understand the evil intent of this mess do you?
TPP/TIPP is a lobby paradise pact (thanks to the ISDS), allow a foreigner country to invade and change other countries affairs, but moreover the real double purpose is to isolate thanks to the embargo the brics (Brazil, China, Russia, etc...), the countries that oppose to be colonized by american corporations.

US want to own and control 60% of the whole world PIL, dictate their own law to everyone, control our life. They are criminals and a real threat to the future of the human race.

Really, really hope Japan resist and refuse, but Japanese politicians are retards and spineless, so probably they will accept it.

Touma wrote:

jr240483 wrote:

I wouldn't be so sure about that answerman. considering that who is in charge of that gov't , don't be surprised at all if years later they do go after comiket as a whole.

In that quote from the article "they" refers to the Japanese publishing industry, not the government. So I think that Answerman is right.

of course i know that much. there is no way the publishing industry wont try to squash their main cash cow.especially since some of them got their start from comiket just like some of the most popular manga authors.

however i am right about my previous statement. considering the crapload of damage that anti otaku govt have done to the otaku community with their crazy ass laws, dont be surprised if they do come after comiket too. especially if the TPP gets the green light from all of the countries,though it seems that the US might be the odd one out.

mangamuscle wrote:

Criminalization of what people do for entertainment (no matter how wrong people think is is) is NEVER the solution, not with Nixon's (neverneding) war on drugs, not with Obama's TPP.

I... why should something be exempt from the law because it is entertaining? Snuff porn? It's someone's entertainment so go ahead! Serial killer? He's just getting his kicks, god bless him!

Shiroi Hane wrote:

mangamuscle wrote:

Criminalization of what people do for entertainment (no matter how wrong people think is is) is NEVER the solution, not with Nixon's (neverneding) war on drugs, not with Obama's TPP.

I... why should something be exempt from the law because it is entertaining? Snuff porn? It's someone's entertainment so go ahead! Serial killer? He's just getting his kicks, god bless him!

Now that is a straw man if I ever saw one. Trying to link murder to entertainment (intellectual property piracy) is foul if you ask me. But let me tell you something, if you criminalize entertainment, then the mafia gets to control it and then you will easily link murder to piracy just as nowadays you can link murder to illegal drugs.

@mangamuscle

You seem to have a problem with the fact that certain drugs are illegal.

If you put activities that are illegal on a spectrum of Not So Bad to Horrible. Piracy of IP is way up on the end of not so bad. Murder is on the far end as horrible. The use of illegal drugs tends to be destructive to the individual and is often a form of extended suicide. As such it is much closer to murder in severity than it is to piracy. Trying to make a similarity between drug laws and copyright laws simply doesn't work. Hard drugs are simply not a form of benign entertainment

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