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Chicks on Anime [2008-09-23]


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burzmali



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:47 pm Reply with quote
rti9 wrote:
Furudanuki wrote:
burzmali wrote:
Its also a pride thing, Japan has worked hard to be known as one of the most technologically savvy nations in the world, there are 3 things that Denmark is known for (to most Americans at least), two are Windmills and Tulips, the third is Amsterdam (in all its hedonistic glory).

Ummmm, could you possibly be thinking of the Netherlands? Because - at least I fervently hope - most Americans don't associate those things with Denmark. Wink

Especially when Amsterdam is the capital of Netherlands.

Did that quite get the point across? Wink
For better or for worst all of "those" countries (the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark) tend to tend to be blended into homogeneous mush over on this side of the Atlantic.
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burzmali



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:50 pm Reply with quote
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Oh, good Lord. Six of the ten biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world are European and the USA certainly doesn't pay a cent towards European public healthcare. Read a book. You might want to start with an atlas. Rolling Eyes

How many of those are based in countries the size of Denmark or smaller?
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Kimiko_0



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:11 pm Reply with quote
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Er, no. Amsterdam is the biggest city in the Netherlands but The Hague is the capital.

*bzzt* Wrong again. Amsterdam is the capital (and largest city). Den Haag (The Hague) is where the government is.
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errantrogue



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:30 pm Reply with quote
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Just because you seem them doesn't mean it's the norm overall. Anyone I see in the anime/manga aisles are pretty normal people, and certainly don't freak out. Heck, I've talked to a few of them, and they were nice. Behavior like running or avoiding people is pretty noticeable, and I've never seen it. I'll see a manga cow every so often, but they don't freak out when I'm nearby or ask if they could move a bit so I can reach for a specific volume.


Where do you work (location, and store size... not specific store name)... and how often do you keep tabs on the manga/anime section?

i worked at an independent anime/game store for 6 years part time aside from my 9-to-5'er and, now that its closed, moved on to a coorporate bookstore where I'm, in all but title, in charge of the manga section. both of these stores were in a decently sized town that served as the shopping hub for a population of around 100k.

of the customers, our homegrown lonely nerds who get out of the house but have a miniumum of contact (eye, voice, whatever) were at a ratio of around 20%... that is, one of every five customers gets their pulls, checks out, and leaves immediately... these very same customers often bypass the areas they want to go in if anyone is in the same aisle, prefering to go to a section they have no desire in (romance is right next to manga in the bookstore... card games were next to the anime in the game store) to avoid human contact or proximity. these customers often only socialize/communicate with the people they come in the store with, if anyone... almost certainly family, usually a parent (despite the fact they're overage).

no, roughly 20% is not an overwhelming number... but it is CERTAINLY a significant percentage.



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*bzzt* Wrong again. Amsterdam is the capital (and largest city). Den Haag (The Hague) is where the government is.


not that i want to wade in on this, but aren't capital's, by defintion, the gov't seats?
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Jadress



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:41 pm Reply with quote
errantrogue wrote:
@bamboo's comment (and continuing on to Robin's)... on not seeing the trapped in their mom's basement nerds in the community.

why would you? They're TRAPPED IN THEIR MOM'S BASEMENT. thanks to intarweb shopping, pizza ordering, and gaming, they pretty much never have to leave...


I think a few of you are taking our mostly pretty general comments and taking them as if we were speaking in specifics. Of course there are all sorts of shut-ins and social misfits in America and the western world, but my point in the discussion was that the problem at least appears to be more pervasive in Japan- so much so, that they actually have a new name for these people (hikikomori). And I think you'd be hard-pressed to argue that the US is less accepting of individualism than Japan.

Anyway, like Bamboo said, thanks everyone for all the feedback. I actually personally did not feel comfortable discussing this topic, as I felt all I could do was make possibly offensive generalizations based on my limited experience and second-hand accounts, but I tried to do my best! Anime smallmouth + sweatdrop
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Moomintroll



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:43 pm Reply with quote
burzmali wrote:
For better or for worst all of "those" countries (the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark) tend to tend to be blended into homogeneous mush over on this side of the Atlantic.


Rolling Eyes

The Netherlands isn't one of the Nordic nations. And most of the world has no problem differentiating one Nordic nation from another in any case. People like you are why half the Americans I meet spend their visits to Europe pretending to be Canadian....

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How many of those are based in countries the size of Denmark or smaller?


One is Swiss and another was Swedish until fairly recently (now merged with a British company - the "Astra" side of the AstraZeneca corporation). Neither of those nations is known for its vast populace. Both have excellent health care. What was your point again?

Kimiko_0 wrote:
Den Haag (The Hague) is where the government is.


That being the definition of "capital city" in general English usage.

However, rti9 has already pointed out (in a private message) that the Dutch constitution begs to differ and I'm quite happy to concede the point (even if my old geography teachers - should any of them still be alive - wouldn't). Wink
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Maidenoftheredhand



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:47 pm Reply with quote
burzmali wrote:

Did that quite get the point across? Wink
For better or for worst all of "those" countries (the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark) tend to tend to be blended into homogeneous mush over on this side of the Atlantic.


No the only point it got across is that you mixed up the Netherlands with Denmark.

I never associated Denmark with any of those things you name. Nor have I ever associated the Netherlands with Scandinavia.


On a side note Amsterdam is the capital of the Netherlands while Copenhagen is the capital of Denmark.
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burzmali



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:57 pm Reply with quote
Maidenoftheredhand wrote:
burzmali wrote:

Did that quite get the point across? Wink
For better or for worst all of "those" countries (the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark) tend to tend to be blended into homogeneous mush over on this side of the Atlantic.


No the only point it got across is that you mixed up the Netherlands with Denmark.

I never associated Denmark with any of those things you name. Nor have I ever associated the Netherlands with Scandinavia.


On a side note Amsterdam is the capital of the Netherlands while Copenhagen is the capital of Denmark.

Circumspectly, my point was that countries that push long hard work on their populace make a name for themselves as leaders of industry whereas countries that favor a more relaxed viewpoint tend to fade from the limelight. Not that that is a bad thing, I guess, but many countries (i.e. the US and Japan) are unwilling to give up that mantle.

As for the medical stuff, the US ends up paying more for various drugs and treatments in large part because the are often developed here and the developers need to recoup the development costs. At less that is the standard explanation as to why drugs cost more here than in Canada and various other nations (including most of Europe).
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*Thinks about taking Japanese classes so he can be a man whore*

Seriously though, it's kinda sad when even love has a price tag on it. I wonder if these host/hostesses have ever really felt love. Sounds like an interesting documentary I'll have to look it up.

God help us all when they finally perfect the robot woman. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:24 pm Reply with quote
burzmali wrote:
For better or for worst all of "those" countries (the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark) tend to tend to be blended into homogeneous mush over on this side of the Atlantic.


My old step-family would have slapped you silly for that comment. They wouldn't appreciate being included in that "homogeneous mush." Wink

But back on topic - the article was really pointless; interesting, yes, but pointless. Considering it was the first time I read this column, I was somewhat disappointed. May I suggest staying on your original topic?
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Iritscen



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:28 pm Reply with quote
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half the Americans I meet spend their visits to Europe pretending to be Canadian....


People would actually DO that?!?


...That's a pretty good idea, I'll have to keep that in mind. Wink
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abunai
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:47 pm Reply with quote
burzmali wrote:
Moomintroll wrote:
Oh, good Lord. Six of the ten biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world are European and the USA certainly doesn't pay a cent towards European public healthcare. Read a book. You might want to start with an atlas. Rolling Eyes

How many of those are based in countries the size of Denmark or smaller?

Oh gee, I dunno... how about this one? They're the 24th largest pharmaceutical company in the world.

They happen to be the major supplier of insulin to the US market, surpassing even US-based companies. You were saying something about us Europeans being the beneficiaries of American pharmaceuticals?

Or this one, which is no. 50?

As for the rest of your twaddle, burzmali, why don't you stop trying to worm your way out of the fact that you've made a fool of yourself several times over in this thread, already? It really isn't a pretty sight to see someone squirm like that.

Iritscen wrote:
Moomintroll wrote:
half the Americans I meet spend their visits to Europe pretending to be Canadian....


People would actually DO that?!?

I can attest to the fact that yes, they do.

One particular young American that I taught at the CBS was, in fact, told quite explicitly to do so by his parents, before heading off to Europe. Seems Mom'n'Dad were convinced Junior would be beaten up by nasty yank-haters in short order, if his real origins were to be obvious.

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yblees



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:18 pm Reply with quote
burzmali wrote:

As for the medical stuff, the US ends up paying more for various drugs and treatments in large part because the are often developed here and the developers need to recoup the development costs. At less that is the standard explanation as to why drugs cost more here than in Canada and various other nations (including most of Europe).


Sorry, I think you're wrong here too. If drugs cost less in Canada, Europe, and probably New Zealand too - it's probably because our governments have a policy of subsidising a range of "essential" drugs. Of course, every so often there is a huge emotional debate about which new "essential" drugs should go on the subsidised list.

And, New Zealand also has paid parental leave for one year plus a once off NZ$1000 tax rebate per child, tax rebates if you are working and have kids under 18 (I think) and earn income below a threshold level, free antenatal care, health and dental care for all children up to the age of 5, subsidised/free childcare for children up to 5 years, etc, etc.
Having been through this myself, I have to say - while NZ may not be a big economic powerhouse, I for one am very happy with the system.
And there's nothing wrong with a little socialism, that just means we work as a community to look after each other (as opposed to a totalitarian communist system which may be what some people are thinking of).
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:22 pm Reply with quote
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And there's nothing wrong with a little socialism, that just means we work as a community to look after each other (as opposed to a totalitarian communist system which may be what some people are thinking of).

I quite agree... but talking to yanks about the virtues of socialism is like trying to tell a nun about sex. No enthusiasm, no understanding, no point.

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Kimiko_0



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:30 pm Reply with quote
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I quite agree... but talking to yanks about the virtues of socialism is like trying to tell a nun about sex. No enthusiasm, no understanding, no point.

Laughing
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