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Murasakivie
Posts: 1 Location: Fort Worth, TX |
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What's with all the backlash against YaoiPress for this? The coloring book was NOT pornographic, NOT aimed at children, and not going to be sold in bookstores given that they specifically tried to print them with a POD company.
And YP is right to be upset about the situation. The company has published a risque comic for them before, so there was no reason to think that the coloring book was going to be rejected. And YP's response was to e-mail them, asking which pages were offensive and offering to swap them out with tame pictures out of the hundreds they have only to have receive another refusal. Docucopies behavior is downright unprofessional. Speaking as someone who works at a POD company, something like this would not be rejected. It's original, it's not pornographic, and it's similar to content they've previously printed. Obviously, they didn't want YaoiPress' business, but considering all the linking that's been happening to the "cheap doujinshi printing" article, they made a bad mistake rejecting someone who's probably brought them a good chunk of business they otherwise would NEVER have. |
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vashfanatic
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Well, clearly it wasn't meant for children, idiot parents aside. But... I take it you've seen the book in question? In which case, what was on the pages that they wanted removed? Otherwise, how on earth do you know that it wasn't pornographic? Not to mention, are you on YaoiPress's staff to know how they were planning on selling it? And if you are, then please, let us all know so we can get more facts on the case. (This may sound sarcastic, but it isn't. More facts always help, so if you have some, please share!) |
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Cait
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Go to Yaoi Press' website. They posted all of the pictures from the book that were mentioned in the refusal correspondence, and explained the contents of the book, as well as picturing several of the most "risque" of pages they had originally assumed were the problem (but were apparently not). |
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vashfanatic
Posts: 3492 Location: Back stateside |
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Where is Yaoi Press' website? The link? They only showed one of the pages, 23, which I agree they overreacted to... although some of the other pages listed above, I can see why they'd not want to publish this - but we're not told which pages those are, whether they're ones that the group listed. So... yeah, more information would be nice. And bitch all you want, a publisher has the right to decide what they want to publish, for whatever reasons. Anyway, I'm tired of this subject. It's a total non-issue, too (especially given how downright bad some of that art was...). |
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Colonel Wolfe
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I applaud this printing company for not wishing to print this book. Finally, we have publishers willing to take a stance against immoral and indecent material such as gay/homosexual material.
You're going to find that, because of Handley pleading guilty that more and more printers are going to become more active in refusing to print this material for fear of legal prosecution. THANK YOU CHRIS HANDLEY!!! You've done the world a great service. No More Yaoi titles will be printed in the United States. |
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Cait
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You're right. I was misremembering how many of the listed pages they showed. Anyway, I don't know who you're talking to about "bitching" about this issue, because I have not done so once in this entire thread... |
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Pinkwings
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This article and the comments here really gave me a good laugh. A coloring book..? for yaoi? Really?
 The idea just seems really funny to me.
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ConanSan
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Also No more titles that challenge ideas such as Rape, Child Abuse and such in a serious manor. Everything about adult situations must be hush hush, no one needs to know it exists, if we have no knowlage of it, it will simply dissapear. And then no more comedy manga because big boobs, ristique jokes and those pesky jokes that have the guall to refrence other stuff is horribly offensive. As a result, to prevent these books of Satan from geting any ground, the goverment will demand that we all have to be prudes with our funny bone sugicaly removed with a hacksaw. Those who refuse are clearly trators to the crown. And then no more Shonen Jump manga, because, dood who calls himself Pain and is attached to some stone wheelchair by wieres? That could cause a kid nightmares and it might sugest that fighting people is wrong and not saying "Might is right!" is unamerican and we can't have that! And finaly No more Hello Kitty, becase we all know while Pokemon (Which will have been outlawed in the great culture war of '12) came from the left ball of Satan, Hello Kitty is the spawn of the right. And then we get to outlawing Life itself, for Life has the most contriverial content of all, Sex. It'll only be a lifetime, but it'll be the best lifetime the human race ever experienced! Seriously, dood, do you even listen to half the guff you type? |
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Hon'ya-chan
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Odd yes. But, surprisingly, there are coloring book for Human Anatomy for Medical Students. So it's not weird in some senses..... And if you think a Yaoi coloring book is weird.....the local Borders near me had a pop-up sexual positions book in the bargain section. That had several miles of packing tape wrapped all over the plastic cover in all directions.
Parents don't take responsibility these days. Trust me on this. Many are so insulated that they will defend their little precious to the point where they will kill the store clerk for even telling a kid not to run around in a store. |
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letsgetserious
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Come on people is this really even news worthy. She posted on her own site that the publisher even told her that the first book they had printed was a mistake, and I for one can understand that.
I'm a yaoi fan, plain and simple, but this is some serious slander because YP is saddened that someone else in this world doesn't enjoy yaoi. It's not bigotry or homophobia, it's a business honoring its right to refuse service plain and simple. If you're going to post a story, do it right, and in full. It wasn't just that those pages were disturbing, they already had stated they weren't going to publish the book regardless.
That's at the beginning of her post. Don't smear a business because they choose their personal integrity and a potential HR issue over smut (oh I'm sorry... pretty boy smut). And please don't bring up the argument, well if it was chicks it would probably be fine, that is a dead horse, beat it offscreen please. |
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Colonel Wolfe
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Conan, yes I do. I think it's great that those printers who produce printed copies of this trash are finally making moral choices as to whether to produce this material.
I hope more and more printers start stepping up to refuse publishing material that's seen by society as immoral and indecent. Despite what you want to believe, society, by and large, considers homosexuality as immoral and is outright opposed to by churches far and wide. |
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Mohawk52
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It is parents responsibility to protect their child from harm, whether real, or perceived, as it's usually a natural instinct to err toward the safe side. I agree with tempest that the printer was probably thinking of their employees more than any external repercussions, Still I'm not convinced that the printing, and publishing industry hasn't heard about the Handley case. |
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poisondusk
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Although the YP page doesn't show that much in the way of pictures, it does state that the book carried a 16+ rating, so I think it's safe to say that it wasn't pornographic. |
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yaoipress
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I had a brief interview with ICv2 about the issue with more information here:
http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/15035.html The coloring book was a novelty item we planned to test market at Anime Expo and Otakon. There is a huge amount of Yaoi fans who are also artists. The y!gallery site has thousands of fans posting their art work. The initial response to the coloring book due to all this Docucopies hoopla has been "I want it, I want it, I want it." This item is not adults-only. Nudity is implied. There are no naughty bits showing. There are no sex scenes. This would be rated 16+ if we went into mass production (which seems very likely). Docucopies has a right to refuse our project. That's never been in doubt. They just handled this in a very poor way that ended up costing us extra money and aggravation. They should have put us on notice that they objected to the content in the first doujinshi we printed with them. (They are a photocopier, not a publisher. We're the publisher. They're the printing company, like Kinkos). They didn't say boo about the doujinshi. I thought everything was fine. I thought I'd found a great cheap printing alternative for small test market items like these. They gave me no reason to think otherwise. The only caveat about printing with them is that if you have bleeds you nearly double the price. So we formatted the coloring book without bleeds. Meaning an unattractive white margin is around every page. We formatted this book to be printed at Docucopies. Most other companies don't charge extra for bleeds. They told me they were offended by our material when it was too late. I offered to swap out the seven or so pictures I thought they were taking issue with. Many of the images are relatively innocent, like this one: http://yaoipress.com/cutesypoo.jpg They wouldn't work with me despite having contributed to the crap situation I found myself in. If they had offered me a lousy coupon or something I would have probably kept using their services. Instead they say no way and call a picture of two guys kissing 'disturbing.' I got angry at this. I don't think that's unreasonable. In the end I think this has become something positive by generating interest and publicity for the coloring book. I'm no longer angry about this. I hope that they'll behave with more consideration to their customers in the future. At the very least I hope they'll change their TOS to warn how strict they are about the content of what they will print. I apologize if I don't check back here for follow-ups to this post. Please don't think that I'm ignoring you. Just very busy. |
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ConanSan
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I don't care for Yaoi and the printer has every right to not print, but that is not a cause for celebration. Not by a long shot. Oh, and it's realy shysty of them to accidently accept a first print job. Just saying. That sort of nonsence gets you black spotted. |
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