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Mr. Oshawott
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If this child porn bill passes, it's really going to topple the anime/manga industry and community over the edge.
Yes, child porn should be tightly regulated or even banned, but the Japanese government is ignoring the issue of real child porn when they're going after fictional material. |
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CrowLia
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Code Geass would be illegal under this law too, there's at least one episode with a whole bathroom scene full of high school girls in lingerie. And I think Kallen appears naked at least once. But hey, CC is fair game, she's 200 years old. And the latest chapters of Fairy Tail would be illegal toospoiler[ Lucy is shown naked and being shamelessly groped by Natsu. She's 17.] Heck, the latest blockbuster SAO would be illegal too, sincespoiler[ Asuna is tentacle raped and later undressed and half raped by Villain-kun] And I don't even need to explain why the Monogatari series would become illegal. Another blockbuster that'll get you to jail |
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FuriFuu
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It is apparent that Japanese cartoons are the only form of entertainment that do not get a proper evaluation in the claims that the materials actually create any harm what-so ever in their distribution or creation.
Video-games have gotten evaluated, other medias and books have been evaluated. The only form of media that is not being given even the proper conduction of investigation of supposed harmful-claims is Japanese Cartoonist. They are literally, the only form of media which I have witness who have not been given a fair evaluation compared to other media out there. I strongly believe that artists should be able to express their stories the way they want to without a government body telling them what they can or cannot express within their artistic visions. The problem is these bills are very vague and are slippery slopes aimed mostly by both a political and moralistic propaganda of fear and of the unknown. The first bill to cripple the Japanese fiction industry was introduced by Ishihara recently. Aimed specifically to pull down visuals created by artists. I would hate to see an entire genre known as Japanese manga basically become outlawed and criminalized. If the Japanese artists and fans do not start standing up for their rights to express their fiction they will soon face an industry that will die both economically, socially and freedom of expression wise. Many animes will become outlawed and the creativity in the medium will shrink up and eventually die. This is not just the hentai-type variety of animes those who support this bill think this is for. This will include old animes from the 80's to recent ones created today. Plots will be missing, entire sections will be censored, and romance will be outlawed between characters if there is even a slightest hint of tension between them or if their not dressed in burkas. The reason why Japanese cartoons are so popular because of the artists ability to express a broad range of themes and stories the way the artists originally visional them as. Of cartoon characters, who are not citizens, who are not real yet are being prompted by the governments to be treated as real-life people and given rights like real-life people. What a way to waste tax-payer money. If Japan wants to restrict actual CP then they need to convert the efforts of censoring manga and anime to the actual thing. Which includes Japan's hypocrisy of dvd of actual underage girls readily available on shelves and magazine corner racks. This is the CP issue that needs to be addressed, not manga and anime which contains no evidence of real-life children in it's creation or any children used in it's creation. Japan has one of the most prompted story-tellers I have seen in fiction. And I hate to see that creativity die or a AAA block-buster manga to never come out with a captivating plot due to a draconic law. This law isn't about protecting children as it supposedly claims, this law is to appeal to a moral brigade of left-handed knee-jerkers who go by emotion rather than logic and reason and to possibly gain international political brownie-points in doing so. Cartoons are not real people, will never be real people, and should not be treated as such. Japanese Cartoonist appeal to a variety of audiences of different age-groups. Who says adults cannot read adult mangas? Laws are there to actually protect the living and the breathing, not to be misused by criminalizing fictional material. As much as America, Parts of Europe and now parts of legislation in Japan wants readers to value cartoon characters as real people others will not. I for one, will never put an ink and paper drawing on the level of an actual human being, nor will I respect a ink and drawing on the level of an actual person. I find it both a waste that these governments are literally forcing others to respect cartoon drawings as "real people". |
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Timeenforceranubis
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You called? 
In all seriousness, though, I'm really happy to hear about organizations coming out and speaking up against this. At the same time, I'm, of course, extremely disappointed that there are people here supporting this kind of censorship. The answer is always more art, people. If you start to think that the answer is less art, start over. That's not the side you want to be on. |
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relentlessflame
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But didn't you consider that this is the whole reason why the people and organizations mentioned in the original article are opposed to the law in the first place? The law is poorly-written and doesn't make any distinction at all about fiction, artistic merit, or anything else (the sorts of distinctions that most other countries make). It's so broad as to mean basically whatever people decide at the time it should mean. If it were a carefully-written law that clearly and specifically targeted what it ostensibly claims to be targeting, all the organizations and people mentioned as protesting would likely not be doing so. You can't very well be okay with a law "on principle that it will be only used for the right things, but if they use it poorly in practice then I won't be okay with it". Once it takes effect, there's nothing you can do (until/unless the electorate shares the discontentment and elects another party next time). (Of course, based on the super-majority supporting this legislation, and the fact that the same party is projected to win a majority in the other house in the next round, there may be no stopping the law from being pushed into place anyway.) Laws need to be written with specific consideration of the loopholes and various undesired interpretations that could result and are counter to the bill's claimed intent, and a government's failure to write legislation in this way (which they absolutely know how to do) suggests that their true intent is broader than what they claim. (Particularly when there's a specific clause in this legislation to investigate the connection between anime/manga and children's rights without any third-party oversight. It screams of a witch hunt, and the affected organizations and industry groups are right to question/protest it.) A very similar law was proposed in the past by the same parties, but it eventually failed to reach consensus due to the many of the reasons being protested again. But now those parties are essentially proposing the same law again, ignoring the earlier concerns, since this time they have enough seats in the house to push it through. You might say "well, the Japanese public elected them," but that doesn't mean the general public understands the subtleties of what's going on. They may just think the law was "only about child pornography", which most agree is a horrible, unacceptable thing. And again, helping to explain the subtleties of what is at stake by passing this poorly-written law is exactly why people are speaking up now. Saying "I don't see how this is a bad thing" just assuming that it will only be used for things you don't see as having merit is completely missing the point. That aside...
Well, probably not for these reasons. spoiler[Since she isn't actually tentacle-raped, or "half-raped", so she isn't "engaged in sexual intercourse or any conduct similar to sexual intercourse", and it's a bit of a stretch to argue that those scenes are "to arouse or stimulate the viewer's sexual desire". If anything, they're supposed to make the viewer angry, not aroused; someone could try to make that argument, but it's hard to prove. Now, maybe one could argue that the scene of her taking off her clothes (just wearing her underwear) by choice earlier in the story is in fact "a pose of a minor partially naked" and intended to "stimulate the viewer's sexual desire" (maybe...). But that just shows how the definition is still way too broad. What qualifies as "partially naked" anyway? And who knows what might arouse some people... Then again, perhaps all they need to do is arbitrarily change her age to 18 and leave everything else exactly the same. It's a "solution" that has been used before...] Last edited by relentlessflame on Wed May 29, 2013 9:30 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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sherps
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fudge this bill, nuff said >:/
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tcsavato
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No. The people that ruin the industry are those that pass the blame onto others and those that complain about everything.
This is probably one of the more realistic aspects of anime. Children are not as pure as people think. If you really think about it, You'd begin to notice you weren't actually that innocent in 2nd grade for example. Hell, When I was in 3rd grade a group of kids were drawing what their dicks and vaginas looked like and laughing their asses off. In most people's idealistic view of children, that simply doesn't happen.
Anything sexually titillating is effected which can be pretty much anything.
Okay Ocean's 11. Illegal Pineapple Express. Illegal The Godfather Trilogy. Illegal Star Wars. Illegal Sixteen Candles. Illegal Pulp Fiction. Illegal Better have been a joke post, otherwise I fear for your intelligence.
The Junior Idol industry would be a tough thing to crack legally. Nearly every provision you place on them would also be placed on the common folk taking pictures of their daughters. There is pretty much nothing illegal about that industry, creepy as it may be. The girls are never naked and there's nothing explicit. Just... little girls in bathing suits. |
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Tomibiki
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16 years is well over the age of consent! I say, let it ride! |
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CrowLia
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^ Not for Japan. 16 year olds are still illegal under this bill.
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tcsavato
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This stems only from pictures. It's one of those "Legal to have sex but not have pics of them naked" dealie. |
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CrowLia
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Which is exactly what Tombiki was implying -that he likes to see pictures of naked sixteen-year-old girls, which will become illegal under this bill. Also, I don't know a lot about Japanese law, but I'm almost sure 16 is not even remotely age of consent in Japan. 18, that I can believe
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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hmm it depends 16 is the legal age for a girl to marry in japan with parental consent. That nullifies the AOC law if she marries a guy that is 23-25. |
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VORTIA
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Actually, the national age of consent in Japan is 13, but don't think for a second that you won't be arrested as an adult for a relationship with a minor. It may not be statutory rape, but Japan has a slew of charges for "corrupting youth" which apply.
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VORTIA
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I think it's quite sad that when confronted with accusations that an art form you love is a crime, that rather than band together with those being equally persecuted, you'd rather kick them and shout "Yeah, but HIS drawings are even grosser!" |
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kanechin
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Scenes with Nami wouldn't be illegal (she's 18 at the start) but scenes with Vivi would (she's 16). |
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