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Brent Allison



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:32 pm Reply with quote
Galap wrote:
Why does ANN even run these articles? The only reason I can think of is just to troll the talkback forums, which seems to be effective every time.


Well...

David Wong wrote:
We are physically better off today in every possible way in which such things can be measured ... but you sure as hell wouldn't know that if you're getting your news online. Why?

Well, ask yourself: If some music site posts an article called, "Fall Out Boy is a Fine Band" and on the same day posts another one called, "Fall Out Boy is the Shittiest F*cking Band of the Last 100 Years, Say Experts," which do you think will get the most traffic? The second one wins in a blowout. Outrage manufactures word-of-mouth.

The news blogs many of you read? The people running them know the same thing. Every site is in a dogfight for traffic (even if they don't run ads, they still measure their success by the size of their audience) and so they carefully pick through the wires for the most inflammatory story possible. The other blogs start echoing the same story from the same point of view. If you want, you can surf all day and never swim out of the warm, stagnant waters of the "aren't those bastards evil" pool.


http://www.cracked.com/article_15231_7-reasons-21st-century-making-you-miserable.html#ixzz2b9jyWHph

It's business, people. Ordinary 21st century folks like to read about this stuff and tut-tut about it over breakfast, and ordinary webmasters oblige. Don't like that? I'm sure some academics have written some thoughtful barely-read articles situating this phenomenon within socio-historical contexts related to gender, age, sexuality, moral panics, and postmodernity. Go search EBSCOHost with those keywords and read articles like that instead. Reflect on them. Raise the discourse. Take a cue from Jello and don't criticize the media, become the media.


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lostrune



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:47 pm Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
Taken out so far:

TitanXL
dtm42

So that's 2 people who have had nonstop complaints about them from other users for the last several years because they couldn't stop A) hammering the post button so often that every thread had to be about their awful opinions on things and B) wouldn't stop "JUST ASKING QUESTIONS MAYBE IT'S NOT RAPE BECAUSE" about every single sexual predator that gets brought up in the news.

2 people. You're right, maybe it'll be more boring around here as a result, but that's the kind of boring I'm OK with.


Funny choice of words of 'awful opinions' of those disagreeing with you Laughing

I see no problem in asking question, it helps clear up misunderstandings. If no one asked any questions, I imagine Brian Banks and many other people would still be in jail. I understand the knee-jerk reaction of the subject makes people uncomfortable, but I find it's much more damaging to not ask questions because it makes people uncomfortable than it is to actually make sure the truth is being heard.

To see the idea of critical thinking being vilified and discouraged just makes it a relief this is just an anime forum and not an actual court of law which has people's futures at stake all because it's more convenient to the public to take that enticing blue pill Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:48 pm Reply with quote
lostrune wrote:

Funny choice of words of 'awful opinions' of those disagreeing with you Laughing


They are awful opinions. So are yours. I don't just stroke my chin and go "hmm could be right" at every dissenting thing that ever crosses my path. In this case it isn't just "you disagree with me", it's "your attitude is genuinely dangerous and is the same one held by a lot of people who think some kinds of rape aren't really rape and other kinds are and while we're at it let's blame the victims for everything".

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I find it's much more damaging to not ask questions because it makes people uncomfortable than it is to actually make sure the truth is being heard.

To see the idea of critical thinking being vilified and discouraged just makes it a relief this is just an anime forum and not an actual court of law which has people's futures at stake all because it's more convenient to the public to take that enticing blue pill Laughing


Oh good, you mentioned Red Pill. Was waiting for that, you predictable a person I disagree with politically clown. Please, tell me about your mindblowing men's rights philosophy more, I'll wake up like Keanu did in the Matrix and realize that men are naturally superior.

You aren't just "asking questions". Anyone with basic critical thinking skills can see that. It's a bunch of hilariously transparent self-serving bullshit, a series of talking points that get repeated over and over again, usually by people that hang around and jerk eachother off on internet forums. There is no argument you can make that I haven't heard before, a hundred times from a thousand douchebags just like you who have decided that because the dames are gettin' mouthy about your stupid-ass videogames and cartoons, you better smash that down and come up with reasons why you're THE REAL VICTIMS in all this even though 90% of all mass entertainment is aimed directly at your small head and caters to your stupid fantasies at every possible occasion.

You have absolutely nothing to tell me on this issue that doesn't boil down to the usual a person I disagree with politically talking points, period. Nothing. It's all the same shit, it's all really transparent, and at this point it's boring and tired.

Spare me your condescending nonsense. You aren't smart. You're pretending to be. Take your red pill and stuff it somewhere unpleasant.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:20 am Reply with quote
I'm afraid I don't know where any of that outburst came from. I said nothing of gender nor cartoons nor video games. I was speaking as a law student who follows news and court cases and always prefers to know the facts of a case before I decide to drag someone's name through the mud. I fear you lack the ability to look at this issue without letting your bias cloud your judgement and peg any opposing side as some scapegoat a person I disagree with politically even when the discussion says nothing about it. It is unfortunate you hear what you only want to hear.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:22 am Reply with quote
lostrune wrote:
I'm afraid I don't know where any of that outburst came from. I fear you lack the ability to look at this issue without letting your bias cloud your judgement and peg any opposing side as some scapegoat a person I disagree with politically even when the discussion says nothing about it. It is unfortunate you hear what you only want to hear.


lostrune wrote:
take that enticing blue pill Laughing


Do you know what a 'tell' is in poker?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:25 am Reply with quote
I'm not sure what me making a joke about the Matrix has to do with this.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:30 am Reply with quote
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I'm not sure what me making a joke about the Matrix has to do with this.


I'd ask "how stupid do you think people here are" but I already know the answer to that.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:56 am Reply with quote
Everyone knows the Matrix is a secret KGB code word. Comrade Lostrune fools no one here.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:56 am Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
Do you know what a 'tell' is in poker?


Is it really really important to you, Zac, that misogynists, people I disagree with politically, and kiddy-porn apologists have a place to speak their mind? Is it important to you that you provide that place?

Is this the forum you want to have?

Just ban them all. You can do that. Won't cost you anything worth having.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:29 am Reply with quote
So this thread resulted in BOTH dtm42 and TitanXL getting banned?

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The nominations for "Greatest Thread of All Time" are now closed as we have an unchallengeable winner.

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And Zac for Prez in '16.
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Brent Allison



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:30 am Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
So this thread resulted in BOTH dtm42 and TitanXL getting banned?

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The nominations for "Greatest Thread of All Time" are now closed as we have an unchallengeable winner.

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And Zac for Prez in '16.


See nargun, Zac's work is done. Besides, constant probation/banhammers, the paranoia those engender, and the reverse-viewpoint self-congratulating of those left behind would make this place SomethingAwful without the $10 charge. Is that the forum we want to be?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:55 am Reply with quote
Constant probation/banhammers? Dude, you clearly don't know this place. I am living proof of how difficult it is to get banned around here. I have never been banned nor post moderated and a very compelling argument can be made that I've done things to deserve either/both. The only people I've ever seen banned are those who consistently ignore warnings over a long period of time and who prompt numerous complaints from numerous posters over a long period of time.

In fact, there was a moderator here - abunai - who basically resigned his position and left ANN because he felt dtm42 was being treated too leniently.

I've posted at sites where the mods/admins really were banhappy and believe me this place is not one of them.
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Brent Allison



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:58 am Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
Constant probation/banhammers? Dude, you clearly don't know this place.


No, I'm saying that this place doesn't have constant probation/banhammers, but nargun seems to want that. Or were you talking to nargun? It's hard to tell.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:04 am Reply with quote
Ah, sorry, completely misunderstood your post.
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Nayu



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:05 am Reply with quote
Honestly, two people who I've been reporting on a daily basis for months on end are finally tempbanned. If anything, this forum is too lenient.
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