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REVIEW: Kill la Kill Episodes 13-24 Streaming

@Rahxephon91

The point is, you keep saying that as long as a show does exactly what it is intending to do, nothing else matters. No critical standards of any type can be applied to it, no generally accepted norms can be used to criticize it, story won't matter, having well constructed characters won't matter, having the writing be consistent or the art/animation be technically good doesn't matter. Nothing will matter and nothing can be criticized in any way, as long as it does exactly what it is intending to do. That is your position, and it is ridiculous.

Dude, that last line "You don't get it" sums you up all nice like.

YOU are the one sitting on a high horse here.

YOU are the one who's standards are on display here NOT the people who think Kill la Kill's story left much to be desired.

If we aren't supposed to judge Kill la Kill's story then it shouldn't have been released in story form at all but as a set of still images.

Even THEN people would still look for meaning from the still images and guess what, if very shallow meaning was found or no meaning was found at all there'd be criticism.

There is the technical side to anime (art, music, composition, voice work etc) and there is the narrative side.

To disregard one side when appraising a work in this form is not only impossible but stupid to suggest.

Kill la Kill's narrative side was piss poor regardless of whatever the show made itself out to be in the beginning.

You know, High School of the Dead, Sora no Otoshimono and all that other good stuff you turn to when you just want to laugh at stupidity.

I have to wonder if everyone's opinion would be the same if everything in this show was the same except for having all the character's gender flipped!

Rein in that obnoxious passion of yours, makes you look like a hypocrite.

"You''re watching it wrong" though. THAT one is a doozie.

tuxedocat wrote:

I have to wonder if everyone's opinion would be the same if everything in this show was the same except for having all the character's gender flipped!

The show would still be great. Maybe have less fanservice, but even then the fanservice in Kill La Kill dosen't feel creepy in the same way other shows do.

Rahxephon91 wrote:

tuxedocat wrote: I have to wonder if everyone's opinion would be the same if everything in this show was the same except for having all the character's gender flipped! The show would still be great. Maybe have less fanservice, but even then the fanservice in Kill La Kill dosen't feel creepy in the same way other shows do.

Oh. nonono. all the fanservice would be there. lots of male buttshots, and nice crotch bulges on display. Would you still like it as much then?

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tuxedocat wrote: I have to wonder if everyone's opinion would be the same if everything in this show was the same except for having all the character's gender flipped! The show would still be great. Maybe have less fanservice, but even then the fanservice in Kill La Kill dosen't feel creepy in the same way other shows do.

Oh. nonono. all the fanservice would be there. lots of male buttshots, and nice crotch bulges on display. Would you still like it as much then?

Really enjoying the irony of ChibiKangaroo talking down Kill la Kill for not being intellectual enough while also defending Daybreak Illusion//Wixoss as not a Madoka ripoffs in the preview thread. I'll take something visually inventive and fun over something blatantly aping another series and trying to be edgy any day.

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Dude, that last line "You don't get it" sums you up all nice like.

So if I come to a fighting anime expecting Shakespere am I coming to it correctly? Am I in the right mindset. Do you actually understand what I said when I said "you're not watching it correctly/with the right mindset?

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YOU are the one sitting on a high horse here.

Nope.

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YOU are the one who's standards are on display here NOT the people who think Kill la Kill's story left much to be desired.

Nope.

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If we aren't supposed to judge Kill la Kill's story then it shouldn't have been released in story form at all but as a set of still images.

This is stupid. I said you aren't supposed to expect some great story from Kill La Kill, because the story is'nt trying to do that. The story is only working in service with the hyper activity. If you don't like it or it dosen't work for you then fine. Thats ok. The story of Kill La Kill mostly does it's job though. The problem I have with is people approaching it with the air of "it's not smart. It lacks depth". Of course it is stupid. You're right. You don't seem to actually understand that I have no problem with people not liking it. I have a problem with people trying to analyze it in a way where they don't seem to get that yes it's stupid and that's why it's awesome and fun. This all started with posts that sounded like "I'm too smart to enjoy something so dumb".

If thats you're thought process then fine. Don;t watch the show.

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Even THEN people would still look for meaning from the still images and guess what, if very shallow meaning was found or no meaning was found at all there'd be criticism.

I guess people also want to find meaning into thier martial arts movies. wait they don't. They watch martial arts movies for the action and hope the story facilitates the action well enough.

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There is the technical side to anime (art, music, composition, voice work etc) and there is the narrative side.

ok.....

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To disregard one side when appraising a work in this form is not only impossible but stupid to suggest.

Hmm, no this is stupid and I have to question if you've been an anime fan for long.

Because watching anime is all about watching things that may be well animated, have cool action scenes, have a cool look to it, but may have a stupid ass story. They could still be enjoyable though. I like the X movie because it looks so cool. The story is terrible.

The difference here is that Kill la Kill knows the story is stupid and it uses that to it's advantage.

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Kill la Kill's narrative side was piss poor regardless of whatever the show made itself out to be in the beginning.

Or it allowed for exciting and crazy worlds, scenarios, and characters. Take your pick.

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You know, High School of the Dead, Sora no Otoshimono and all that other good stuff you turn to when you just want to laugh at stupidity.

High School of the Dead. Perfect example.

There it's story is beyond dumb, to the point it makes no sense for anything to happen. It's characters so bad that they are almost disgusting.

Yet it's so over the top and campy that I can just ignore that.

But Kill La Kill is better because I like the characters. They are cool and don't offend me. There's a lot of style in the art design, world design, and direction. It's on a whole other level then HoTD. There actually feels like there's passion and thought in Kill La Kill just from the way they direct scenes. How they craft the characters.

HoTD just feels like campy trash thats fun because it goes there and has no problem being tasteless. There's no real talent behind it.

Thats what makes Kill La Kill a whole lot better.

tuxedocat wrote:

I have to wonder if everyone's opinion would be the same if everything in this show was the same except for having all the character's gender flipped!

The show would still be great. Maybe have less fanservice, but even then the fanservice in Kill La Kill dosen't feel creepy in the same way other shows do.

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Rein in that obnoxious passion of yours, makes you look like a hypocrite.

Actually, I haven't been a hypocrite anywhere.

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"You''re watching it wrong" though. THAT one is a doozie.

I kind of don't think you know what was being said.

Except your "People Watch Certain Things Purely To See Cool Stuff Happen" argument is faulty. Because in this case (as is the case of Martial Arts Movies, Wrestling and even PORN), the "cool stuff" people want to see relies heavily on context, context provided by wait for it, wait for it: Kill la Kill's story!

By stating the story lacked depth people are not saying it wasn't smart enough for them. That's just you going off on your own tangent.

What they are saying is that the story does not mask the fact that the writer simply wanted to show cool stuff happening well enough! That better? Hence why it is shallow and stupid or, put the way they worded it, "lacks depth".

Take porn for example... nothing intellectual about that! Porn watchers just want to get to the good stuff. Yet you get pornos where either a little scenario plays out before the main event begins or the girl is interviewed before the guy breaks out the meat and they make a sandwich.

Why do you suppose that happens? It happens to fulfill the very same purpose that pornos, wrestling, martial arts flicks and stories all share in common: to create a fantasy situation that the viewer can self insert themselves into (no pun intended). i.e. it provides context for the good stuff.

Even if when the good stuff happens it is GOOOD, if the context used to set it up isn't done as good people will notice. And for some it may affect their viewing pleasure somewhat

(Ever see a porno where the girl being interviewed obviously doesn't want to be there? Take that, hard-on!)

Hey, remember all those complaints people've had regarding the overly high score given to the animation for this show? Yeah Kill la Kill's "good stuff" its action scenes fall short as well. Sure the Satsuki fights were cool but the fights during the E4 arc and Battlefield trip Arc were pretty darn boring. And that Sanageyama fight was atrocious.

Anyway, no one is implying you have low standards. So quit implying other people's standards are too high and making arrogant statements like the one you made.

Doesn't make their opinion any less relevant than yours.

Ok cool. Dumb jokes can be good.