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ArsenicSteel



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:51 am Reply with quote
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The original real-life harems were far different from anime harems. They were more like your own personal prostitutes, from what I know.

And yet the genre name, "harem", is still derived from the original real-life concept. I have to remind you that your argument is that the concept of harems don't exist anywhere but in Japan. This isn't about other places doing it the exact same(differences exist) as Japanese but the similarity and origin of the concept.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:04 am Reply with quote
Thanks for an interesting podcast. I didn't know about Hope Chapman's video reviews before this, and now I'm interested in them because I'm interested in expanding my mental vocabulary for talking about anime in particular and film in general (never having done more than simply scratching the surface of film studies).

I went to check them out --- her reviews of Kino's Journeys, Summer Wars and FLCL (the first three I checked) were great in setting the films in a context (especially Summer Wars and FLCL), discussing the characterization and acting (Kino and FLCL), and highlighting elements of the visual style for all three.

They're obviously a great deal of work to put together, and they're well-worth checking out.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:37 am Reply with quote
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You do know the word harem isn't Japanese in origin, which means at least one other culture has the concept. Also that the idea of many women falling for one man is common in Western media like pimps, gigolos, Hugh Hefner and all reality-love shows like The Bachelor.

Really you need to get your head out of the sand.

Reading Is Fundamental: the claim was "harem as a genre". And your examples of western media suggest that western media fills the niche in other ways.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:20 am Reply with quote
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One thing that comes to mind is the "not withstanding" clause in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I tend to agree with Trudeau that the potential for abuse is there; AFAIK this type of clause is unique to Canada and the American equivalent isn't so hampered. Another thing is the prorogation of Parliament. I think it's great that so many individuals have come together in the last few decades to make the country more progressive, but the foundations are alarmingly shaky at some junctures where the US's seem to be less so. In any event, I said I wasn't sure. Unless there's a really succinct, comprehensive answer to what is surely a large and dense topic, I think you've served the nation admirably.


The 'notwithstanding' clause was, or so I think, meant to reconcile Canadian parliamentarism with a bill of rights. One of the chief tenets of parliamentary government is parliamentary sovereignty, which is to say that parliament may do as it pleases without restriction from other institutions or law. A bill of rights is not a good fit to this kind of system because the whole idea is that it sets out a series of things that parliament cannot do. By contrast, the United States Congress is theoretically restrained by the power of the other two branches to reject its actions and by the stipulations of the constitution. This doesn't quite work out in practice because sufficient cleverness motivated by adequate public fervor can usually make anything possible. Ultimately it's all a put of a put-on, because if we all decide to not play by the rules, the whole thing can be gotten rid of or altered. As the undeservedly obscure James Wilson put it, "the people may change the constitution whenever and however they please."

dm wrote:
I went to check them out --- her reviews of Kino's Journeys, Summer Wars and FLCL (the first three I checked) were great in setting the films in a context (especially Summer Wars and FLCL), discussing the characterization and acting (Kino and FLCL), and highlighting elements of the visual style for all three.


The Kino's Journey review encouraged me to buy that series, although I haven't yet watched it (I have long, erratic turnaround times). I think the highest compliment that I can pay her is that I bought Red Garden because of her review, even though her opinion of the series was rather tepid. The way that she described it piqued my interest, which I think is a sign of a quite good review. I also liked her Ikki Tousen review because it was nice to know that somebody else thought that a lot of the ostensible fanservice was kind of gross and the story inscrutable.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:21 pm Reply with quote
For people still having trouble with the download, try this:

http://animenewsnetwork.cachefly.net/anncast/anncast111-2.mp3
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ArsenicSteel



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:32 pm Reply with quote
agila61 wrote:
ArsenicSteel wrote:
You do know the word harem isn't Japanese in origin, which means at least one other culture has the concept. Also that the idea of many women falling for one man is common in Western media like pimps, gigolos, Hugh Hefner and all reality-love shows like The Bachelor.

Really you need to get your head out of the sand.

Reading Is Fundamental: the claim was "harem as a genre". And your examples of western media suggest that western media fills the niche in other ways.


The quote is "harem-style story"(I am not sure where you got that quote from but it is not from a comment I've replied to.) and a comment about how an American live action version could not be done because Americans would not condone it. Reality dating shows where a group of people living in a house vying for the love of the main participant looks like a harem style story even though such a show is supposedly unscripted.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:47 am Reply with quote
You keep taking my perspective that BR could be called TP...not is... not should and have equated it with the far fetched and or ridiculous.

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I contend that apples are oranges and forks are spoons

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Can people call Battle Royale TP? Yes. They can. They can also call it the feel good comedy of the year. They're both poor descriptors

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it is a misnomer to call say, Angel Cop, a comedy when in fact it is a b-grade action sci-fi show (just like it would be misleading to say BR is a movie for sadists;

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Wouldn't you be frustrated if people called Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs midget porn


I think BR does have elements that would allow it to rise above the simplified negativity of TP. People will still watch it just for the brutality, the killing, the blood, the suffering etc. - basically rendering any depth meaningless...at that point it's TP. I wonder how long this movie would be it you stripped out all but the profound or dark humor parts.

And with that I'm done.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:19 am Reply with quote
Well this was a interesting podcast.

Oh Zac, I like the disclaimer, did anybody told you sound like the robot from Fallout??
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:38 am Reply with quote
what's name of the anime zac won't review on the 3-23-12 anncast i can't spell it out?
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