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I genuinely did not know it was a troll sub. I'm certainly not surprised, but I didn't actually know. Calling me a moron for not knowing is grossly unfair. How would I have known? The group is a giveaway - gg are famous for troll subs. But how would I have known whom the group was, hmm? I've seen the picture scattered across the net and on Google Image Search, but nothing I read ever said who the group was, so I couldn't make the connection. Besides, I've read subtitles so bad that they were on the level of machine translations, or worse, so a group being overly literal is quite plausible in comparison.

Considering that you were attempting to use that image as evidence for your argument, it would have behooved you to actually investigate its origin.

Basically every image like this is either outright trolling ("Keikaku means plan") or just incompetent translation ("Mass Naked Child Events"), and continuing to use that, as an assertion of a slippery sloap fallacy, after I specifically asked you to address the points I was making, is incredibly irritating.

As for screaming at you, its about the only goddamn way to get through to you.

I wasn't saying that one event will spiral to another, just that even people who would have been happy with honorifics and basic phrases would not want that many Japanese words in their translation, and therefore fansubbers should not make assumptions. Yeah this particular picture has turned out to be a troll sub, but my general point still applies.

mass naked child events?

dtm42 wrote:

Fencedude5609, if you'd read my post you'd notice that I used the screenshot to make the point that many people wouldn't be happy with it, and therefore no fansubber should assume they know what their audience wants.

IT WAS A TROLL SUB YOU [insults removed].

GG RELEASED THAT AS A WAY TO RILE PEOPLE UP BECAUSE ITS STUPID.

Also, slippery slope fallacy.

[Mod Edit: Want to know this cool little secret? You can actually talk to people without treating them like dirt, yelling insults at them, and acting like a child. I know it's hard to believe, but yes, there's this thing called being civil that you might want to try sometime. If you need some incentive how about this; I'm just going to start removing your entire posts when you behave this way until you learn to start acting like a civilized human being. - Keonyn]

getchman wrote:

mass naked child events?

Mass Naked Child Events!

I think two largely similar but slightly different sub tracks would be a good idea. The second track (whether it be the more natural English track or the one with the honorifics) would basically be a considered an on-disc extra. Having both would cater to fans old and new.

So basically what it comes down to is that some people want their foreign media to NOT be foreign media. They want it as Americanized as possible to completely gut the original material. "Hey, who cares about making character relationships seem accurate? If it ain't American its SHIT!"

For example, if, in a quick exchange, Ayumi runs into her teacher at a shotengai (outdoors shopping center, distinct from anything in the West), and says "Hi, Yamaguchi-sensei, and he replies "Hi, Ayumi-kun". The use of these honorifics marks a direct, personal teacher/student relationship that don't have English equivalents, and would sound extremely silly attempting to transfer that meaning through localization (i.e. "Hi, Mr. Yamaguchi, my personal teacher". "Hi, young Ayumi, my personal student").

That's fine, since you're talking about an exchange that occurs between Japanese people in a Japanese environment. If you were talking about *non*-Japanese people meeting in a non-Japanese environment, would you still expect them to address one aother that way? Probably not.

But it doesn't make logical sense to leave them in Japanese if the characters are not actually speaking Japanese.

Take, for example, Rose of Versailles. It would majorly take me out of the story if something was translated as Oscar-sama because the characters are in "reality" going to be speaking French. This is definitely a case where you either find a way to translate it or you just lose it in order to maintain the language illusion.