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Hannish Lightning
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Liking violence is nowhere near as bad as being sexually to drawings of little girls. Yeah, no one was harmed and he shouldn't have gone to jail for this, but it's disgusting that he's even into that kind of stuff. |
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MaxSouth
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the guy is collector and had 6000 manga items, including some sexual-oriented... he got arrested because he ordered in japan some of those "obscene" mangas... postal service opened the mail and found it... also, in japan there is tradition not to picture pubic hair (they would find it "obscene" if there would be pubic hair drawn) and "overyoung" characters in adult sex-manga... so the things are not necessary that creepy as they may seem... |
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Hannish Lightning
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Oh, well, okay then.
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CCSYueh
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How about a 50 yr old mother who understands there is a difference between reality & fantasy? I love horror movies, so by your guilt-by-association beliefs I should be locked up before I emulate Freddy Kruger or Michael Myers? If I enjoy such material but feel no desire whatsoever to wreak mayhem on others, why should I not extend this belief to others? Mr Handley had 7 manga out of THOUSANDS confiscated. Don't think he's a pedo. You do know one of the books most filled with violence & sex is The Bible? Wanna ban that? |
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Nemo_N
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First of all, if we are talking about fiction they are both just as "bad", since these are not real events. Even in your terms, I don't see how can someone see the drawing of a underage girl in sexual situations as wrong and not see, say, the massacre of the population of a city as something just as (or even more) depraved. |
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hissatsu01
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So what if it's disgusting? As long as his disgusting interests don't harm others it shouldn't be a matter for the law. I find much seafood to be disgusting. And you shellfish eaters will pay for your sins once I'm in charge! I think it's better for everyone if laws are not determined by the degree to which something makes you say "ick." |
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penguintruth
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I think we should entirely outlaw any work of fiction that depicts illegal acts.
So no murder, rape, drug use, or anything of the sort in fiction. I mean, after all, if child molestation/rape in fiction is to be treated as if it were a real life crime, why not apply it to murder? Consistency! |
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Richard J.
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If no one is hurt, has nothing taken from them and is not deprived of a right then why should the act be illegal in the first place? I personally find drug use and prostitution to be quite bad for society and the people who do them. So does the state, a few exceptions applying, so they are illegal. However, many can and do argue that these are victimless "crimes." The only reason they are illegal is that they and other similar laws function as a form of social control and protection of people from themselves. The same arguements apply to this case. The content of this manga is seen as bad so people want to criminalize it and control those who'd read it. Let's ignore the fact that few if any of us here have actually seen the manga in question to actually make a judgement. We're talking about a man being punished for simply getting a comic book in the mail and for having similar comics in his possession. Think about it. He hasn't done anything. The nature of the comics should be meaningless. I mean, you can buy Hitler's Mein Kampf in most bookstores, a book adovacting war and genocide. The man hasn't hurt anyone, hasn't been shown to be planning to hurt anyone and no has even argued that he might hurt anyone. The whole case is he got some dirty manga in the mail and had some in his collection. That's it. Also, why is violence acceptable but not sexual imagery? Violence can be just as arousing to certain people. Not to mention murder seems a little worse than sex. Just saying. @ penguintruth: While sarcastically done, you just made an extremely good point. The law does not consistently evaluate fictional depictions and content. That means that the current laws are inherently unfair and treat people unequally based on their personal tastes rather than their actions. |
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Vinnems
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Something that always confused me about this case. I can walk into Borders bookstore and by a copy of Lost Girls, by Alan Moore (of Watchmen, V for Vendetta, etc. fame) which depicts, among other things, children engaging in sex with each other, and a horse (I'm pretty sure Dorthy is <18 in the story).
What could he have imported that is possibly worse than I can find in that book? |
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kaotic_legion
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My opinion is that if they allow stuff like Silent Hill to be sold to the general public, then something like this shouldn't even be considered....I swear, this just proves the amount of stupidity in the world...
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otarolgam
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If this case wins, it's going to introduce a staggering effect into Anime culture as a whole. "Oh? You're going to buy that Manga? It has little kids being raped inside... Do you like that, you sick little freak? You're hurting my brain with your disgusting thoughts! I'm calling the cops!"
It's too bad that that law of owning child pornography, with it's real or drawn, is in effect here. That's the only hurdle I can really find in this case, and the poor guy tripped over it and smashed his face into pavement by pleading guilty. There needs to be a serious amendment of that one specific law. Real children, I can understand. A drawing? The only harm I can see is carpel tunnel syndrome from the artist. So yeah... this case has got to be thrown out, and that law has to be looked at. If that isn't the end result for this guy, our system is just way too flawed. |
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LondinCalling
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Interesting...
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TsukasaElkKite
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we're all out of condemning material. |
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OxnardMontolvo2
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I don't understand what is considered obscene.. aren't there TONS of anime/manga/drawings in the US that have teens (under 18) involved in sexual acts.. are those considered illegal or what?
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VORTIA
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Aaah, but you see, that's the wonder of obscenity laws! Something which is obscene is: *Something which the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest, *Depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions specifically defined by applicable state law, *Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value. Basically, in a nut shell, what that means is that obscenity is decided on an entirely subjective, arbitrary basis, case by case. What is obscene in Maine may not be obscene in California. What is obscene to a Jury full of Baptists isn't obscene to a jury full of college kids. It's a law which tries a person in the court of public opinion. Basically, if your jury decides they don't like it, then you're guilty, and you get to enjoy prison. For some, that might be some terrible rape loli doujin, for others, that'd be Ranma 1/2. What a wonderful justice system we have. 
Last edited by VORTIA on Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:09 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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