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jenthehen



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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 2:46 pm Reply with quote
I really doubt that anyone will license KnJ in the US. I mean, Funimation was going to censor Vampire Bund, right? (Although didn't they say they weren't going to now? I don't know!) Anyway ... even if they did license it, it would definitely be subtitle only and I wouldn't be surprised if they used the TV censored version (which honestly, is SO overly censored to the point where it doesn't make sense.)

Does anyone know why they censore the word "virgin" in several anime series, though? I noticed this in KnJ and in B Gata H Kei ... I don't get it. It's just ... "virgin" right?
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asimpson2006 wrote:
I know I said I wouldn't respond anymore to this topic, but I have to talk about this, since I have seen this as well. A fansub group took the censor steam away from Episode 7, and with the use of digital paint, made some of the girls anatomically correct in some of the scenes. Now I love SW, but seeing that super UNCUT episode made me felt like a police car was pulling into the driveway at my house every time I would watch those parts.


Wow, that's really freakin' obnoxious. I've accept the fact that fansubbers put unauthorized subtitles on the source material, but I had no idea that anybody would actually be messing with the images themselves. The specific example you cite is creepy, but it goes beyond that. Let's take a neutral example: in the original a car is red, but then some fansubber decides to make it blue. That's taking alteration way too far. I didn't even realize that could be done.
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jenthehen



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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 3:11 pm Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
asimpson2006 wrote:
I know I said I wouldn't respond anymore to this topic, but I have to talk about this, since I have seen this as well. A fansub group took the censor steam away from Episode 7, and with the use of digital paint, made some of the girls anatomically correct in some of the scenes. Now I love SW, but seeing that super UNCUT episode made me felt like a police car was pulling into the driveway at my house every time I would watch those parts.


Wow, that's really freakin' obnoxious. I've accept the fact that fansubbers put unauthorized subtitles on the source material, but I had no idea that anybody would actually be messing with the images themselves. The specific example you cite is creepy, but it goes beyond that. Let's take a neutral example: in the original a car is red, but then some fansubber decides to make it blue. That's taking alteration way too far. I didn't even realize that could be done.


Is this really true, though? It sounds like a bunch of hooey to me ... screencaps or it didn't happen, I say!
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 3:53 pm Reply with quote
jenthehen wrote:
Blood- wrote:
asimpson2006 wrote:
I know I said I wouldn't respond anymore to this topic, but I have to talk about this, since I have seen this as well. A fansub group took the censor steam away from Episode 7, and with the use of digital paint, made some of the girls anatomically correct in some of the scenes. Now I love SW, but seeing that super UNCUT episode made me felt like a police car was pulling into the driveway at my house every time I would watch those parts.


Wow, that's really freakin' obnoxious. I've accept the fact that fansubbers put unauthorized subtitles on the source material, but I had no idea that anybody would actually be messing with the images themselves. The specific example you cite is creepy, but it goes beyond that. Let's take a neutral example: in the original a car is red, but then some fansubber decides to make it blue. That's taking alteration way too far. I didn't even realize that could be done.


Is this really true, though? It sounds like a bunch of hooey to me ... screencaps or it didn't happen, I say!


Go to this link, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StrikeWitches It makes mention of that episode.
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 4:32 pm Reply with quote
abunai wrote:
Mohawk52 wrote:
Nice way to treat one of the countries that saved your parents, or grandparents sorry arses from German slavery during WW2.

Ooohhh, we're doing unlimited historical credit now? Okay, fine -- I'm not sure where in England you live, but if you happen to live in the Danelaw, I'd like about a thousand years of back taxes, thank you. I'll take Paypal.

Also, stop patting yourself on the back for something your parents' or grandparents' generation achieved -- if they even fought. Taking personal credit for someone else's work... well, there's a word for that.

- abunai
Before you try that tack, yes, my family fought. But that's beside the point -- which is that your entire post was ad hominem crap.
Taking any excuse for another personal attack, aye mate? There's a word for that to. I haven't a clue what you're on about, or why you think I'm referring to the UK, when sadkingbilly was clearly talking about the US, but whatever. As for the Danelaw, I live in Wessex from Norman blood. You do know your lot gave Danelaw back after raping and plundering it for 50 years? Must have been fed up with the weather, and as we're playing 'tit-fer-tat" I have family buried over there from both wars. I only fought in the cold war in the navy.
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configspace wrote:
I highly recommend you watch the whole thing though, to give you a much better perspective even if on principle you're against that scene and similar.

Against my better judgment, I just watched the first episode just to be fair in my comments, rather than taking what others have said.

Now, will you please come over and clean the vomit stain from the rug I just left?

I'm at a complete loss of words here. The finger licking scene alone was far more than I'm willing to tolerate in my anime. Had I been there seeing the teacher purposely allowing this, he'd be ground beef by the time I was done with him.

Then, to see him fantasize about the girl? Oh my, the words are starting to form and they're definitely not suitable for a forum.

Bottom line: no way this crap enters my house. Kudos to those who can stomach this crap, but I certainly can't. Not like this.

In addition, those "cards" added to cover a potential scene leaves nothing to the imagination. How people can think otherwise is something you will not get me to believe. No way is Kokonoe pulling out a deck of cards to play Old Maid during these "scenes".

Make that two stains to clean.

jenthehen wrote:
the STORY is actually about coming of age / sexual maturation of adolescent girls. I WAS one.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and believe this. That covers Kokonoe. So, the teacher fantasizing about her. Is he coming of age?

Make that three stains.
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 6:25 pm Reply with quote
sadkingbilly wrote:
The people bashing this series are - in my eyes - very insecure about their own sexuality and mental health so they need to argument and befoul everything that doesn't resemble their view of what's "normal". Sorry to say, americans with their church-bound indoctrination are especially good in this.


I just want to point out that this just might be the most ludicrous thing I have ever read in the history of my message board posting on this or any other forum. I really don't even know where to begin with how totally out-of-control and wild this statement is. It almost makes my brain explode.

Next time I think about how I don't get turned on by little girls and don't want to watch something that glorifies pedophilia, I'll think about how much of a prude I am and how I am mentally sick.

I feel like everyone in this thread should watch the documentary CAPTURING THE FRIEDMANS.
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 6:48 pm Reply with quote
I can't wait for this either. 宝院 京子 is my favorite character, I can't wait to see her animated agian. Hottie Hoin-Chan is the only reason I read this series. Boin!

animalcalls wrote:
I feel like everyone in this thread should watch the documentary CAPTURING THE FRIEDMANS.
You are comparing a horrible crime to a comic book? Reality vs some lines on recycled paper? Are you serious? You've never read the manga. I dare you to read some of the manga.
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animalcalls



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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 7:02 pm Reply with quote
Shadowrun20XX wrote:
I can't wait for this either. 宝院 京子 is my favorite character, I can't wait to see her animated agian. Hottie Hoin-Chan is the only reason I read this series. Boin!

animalcalls wrote:
I feel like everyone in this thread should watch the documentary CAPTURING THE FRIEDMANS.
You are comparing a horrible crime to a comic book? Reality vs some lines on recycled paper? Are you serious? You've never read the manga. I dare you to read some of the manga.


Obviously people enjoying a comic and a man who (allegedly!) repeatedly had sex with little kids are different, but for those people who claim to not see the problem with such a perversion, it'd be an eye-opener.
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 7:48 pm Reply with quote
One day a sufficiently advanced AI will be created so this entire discussion can be automated, thus saving much time and hot air.

SIDE A: If you like this show you're a pedophile. Or a potential pedophile. I sure wouldn't trust you around kids. This stuff should be banned and you should probably go to jail for liking it, because it's only a matter of time before you move on to real kids. Won't somebody think of the children?

SIDE B: I fail to notice even the most egregious of fan service featuring animated little girls. I have an entirely intellectual interest in this touching story of the sexual awakening of an 8-11 year old. The copious amounts of promotional images and merchandise featuring nearly naked little girls from this show don't exist. If you do notice the existence of any of these things it is clearly you who are sick in the head.

Does that about cover it?

Disclaimer: I don't like KnJ. Any effort at actual storytelling is drowned out by the utterly transparent, pandering fanservice. Fanservice of a type that doesn't appeal to me at all. If you can't see that fanservice, you're either being disingenuous or wearing some heavy duty goggles. That said, whatever floats your boat. They can make more, doesn't bother me. It's not like I'll be watching. Saying this sort of thing leads to real life pedophilia makes as much sense to me as saying violent video games lead to murder. By that reasoning, I should have committed a few acts of genocide by now.
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 8:36 pm Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
Wow, that's really freakin' obnoxious. I've accepted the fact that fansubbers put unauthorized subtitles on the source material, but I had no idea that anybody would actually be messing with the images themselves. The specific [Strike Witches] example you cite is creepy, but it goes beyond that. Let's take a neutral example: in the original a car is red, but then some fansubber decides to make it blue. That's taking alteration way too far. I didn't even realize that could be done.
To be fair, they did also release a standard version of episode 7 that was only as uncensored as the DVD itself was. But images are routinely altered in more subtle ways, like replacing Japanese text with English text. Of course, when R1 companies do the same thing, people talk of ugly obnoxious obtrusive overlays. But when fansubbers do it, it's awesomely advanced elite AFX typesetting Rolling Eyes

PetrifiedJello wrote:
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and believe this. That covers Kokonoe. So, the teacher fantasizing about her. Is he coming of age?
In a way, he is. Recall that Daisuke Aoki, in addition to his widely-derided status as a virgin, hadn't even kissed a girl when the series started. Living into one's mid-20s without experiencing kissing, sex, or a serious relationship with a woman has definite potential to mess up the [heterosexual] male mind. It makes any overt romantic or sexual attention from females into an oasis in the desert. Even if that female happens to be 8 or 9 years old. Heck, I can relate; I didn't kiss a girl until I was 23, either. (Although in my case, it was with a girl my age or slightly older.) Is it right that Aoki lets Rin's flirtations go a bit farther than they should, or that improper thoughts of her cross his mind from time to time? No, and he knows it. But he's conflicted between what he knows to be wrong on an intellectual and moral level, and his inexperience in dealing with women.

If you want to declare the show sick and wrong over that and many other elements, I don't dispute that reasoning. But there's a little more to Aoki's actions beyond pure lolicon pandering.
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 8:59 pm Reply with quote
My favorite tentacle-rape hentai "Poseidon Goes to the Beach: Spring Break!" doesn't get a sequel, yet this does?


Random question: What was the age rating for its prequel(s) in Japan?
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The_Q wrote:
In the official strike witches fanbook, they give a synopsis of the series, cast interview, ect. In this official book, they also state the official bio, officially. Now, in this official book, they also state typical stats that are very common with most series. And, sure enough, Lucchini's age is...12.


I guess you had fun reading at that *fanbook* Laughing

never heard of it until now

Blood- wrote:
Wow, that's really freakin' obnoxious. I've accept the fact that fansubbers put unauthorized subtitles on the source material, but I had no idea that anybody would actually be messing with the images themselves. The specific example you cite is creepy, but it goes beyond that. Let's take a neutral example: in the original a car is red, but then some fansubber decides to make it blue. That's taking alteration way too far. I didn't even realize that could be done.


anime fans who did that are crazy for pulling that stunt Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 11:17 pm Reply with quote
The narrow minded won't let the open minded, be it seems. People can't seem to focus on anything else besides the provocative poses drawn on a flat piece of paper. So label it as filth and move on. Until society starts mimicking exactly what they see on paper, this BS should never be an issue.

As for me, this is another title for me to collect. I am and always have been a collector. The more controversy the more I want the title.

animalcalls wrote:
Obviously people enjoying a comic and a man who (allegedly!) repeatedly had sex with little kids are different, but for those people who claim to not see the problem with such a perversion, it'd be an eye-opener.
True, it would be. But you would need to tell them both sides of the story. One has flesh and blood victims, the other has.... nothing, it's a comic book.
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 11:58 pm Reply with quote
hissatsu01 wrote:
One day a sufficiently advanced AI will be created so this entire discussion can be automated, thus saving much time and hot air.

SIDE A: If you like this show you're a pedophile. Or a potential pedophile. I sure wouldn't trust you around kids. This stuff should be banned and you should probably go to jail for liking it, because it's only a matter of time before you move on to real kids. Won't somebody think of the children?

SIDE B: I fail to notice even the most egregious of fan service featuring animated little girls. I have an entirely intellectual interest in this touching story of the sexual awakening of an 8-11 year old. The copious amounts of promotional images and merchandise featuring nearly naked little girls from this show don't exist. If you do notice the existence of any of these things it is clearly you who are sick in the head.

Does that about cover it?

Disclaimer: I don't like KnJ. Any effort at actual storytelling is drowned out by the utterly transparent, pandering fanservice. Fanservice of a type that doesn't appeal to me at all. If you can't see that fanservice, you're either being disingenuous or wearing some heavy duty goggles. That said, whatever floats your boat. They can make more, doesn't bother me. It's not like I'll be watching. Saying this sort of thing leads to real life pedophilia makes as much sense to me as saying violent video games lead to murder. By that reasoning, I should have committed a few acts of genocide by now.


Ummm ... I don't think anyone is arguing that there is no loli fanservice in KnJ. At least I'm not. It's blatantly there. There IS sexualizing of adolescent girls. I am just of the opinion that adolescent girls can BE sexual - NOT that they SHOULD have sex and certainly not that adults should be interested in them sexually - but girls this age are bound to have confused sexual feelings, possibly be interested in pornography / masturbation, and feel attracted to either other people (whether it be people their own age or older).

I will definitely admit that the fanservice is scandalous. Rin says and does some VERY explicit and inappropriate things, but it's really all just a cry for attention. There ARE children like this. Aoki's reactions are not always appropriate by US standards, but I chalk it up to the respect / "turn the other way and do not cause problems" culture in Japan and the fact that he is a new teacher and an awkward virgin.

There is fanservice in this manga/show that is meant to arouse a prurient interest in some/many people. I won't say that there isn't. BUT there is also a really interesting and unique story, as well, and I think it might feel watered down if she totally did away with the fanservice / sexual aspects.

I also think people don't realize there are a lot of OTHER characters in this series (including many adults) who are highlighted and given ample character development and interesting stories. It's not all about an adolescent girl saying and doing sexual things.

I will say that I honestly don't remember Aoki "fantasizing" about Rin ... maybe it's different in the manga? (I only very quickly skimmed through the anime because the censoring drove me insane - it made the show way too hard to follow!) I think maybe he was *thinking* about her, because ... how could you forget someone like her? But he is NEVER interested in her romantically or sexually EVER. It's pure teacher/student (or father figure / daughter) with him.

I DO wish that the mangaka would get on with it, and stop dragging the story on. There are a lot of unresolved issues that deal with the deeper character motivations and issues that she seems to be letting slide just to ... have nothing happen (not even a lot of fanservice lately, to be honest).

**Edited to add: I have also always felt that loli is just SO different from child pornography / the sexualization of actual children. Loli characters don't even LOOK like real human children. At all. It's just such a different animal that I can't imagine it making anyone start seeing real children in a sexual way.
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