×
  • remind me tomorrow
  • remind me next week
  • never remind me
Subscribe to the ANN Newsletter • Wake up every Sunday to a curated list of ANN's most interesting posts of the week. read more

Forum - View topic
The Edit List - Neon Genesis Evangelion Episodes 4 & 5


Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3

Note: this is the discussion thread for this article

Anime News Network Forum Index -> Site-related -> Talkback
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Swordfish_II



Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 617
PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:16 pm Reply with quote
daxomni wrote:
Absurd Hero wrote:
Obscenity laws don't apply between 10PM and 4AM, so they could have easily shown the whole series uncut.


A uncompromisingly brazen statement like that needs to be backed-up with sources and links. Either back it up or retract it, your choice.


Quote:
Consistent with a federal statute and federal court decisions interpreting the indecency statute, the Commission adopted a rule pursuant to which broadcasts -- both on television and radio -- that fit within the indecency definition and that are aired between 6:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. are subject to indecency enforcement action.


Quote:
Like indecency, profane speech is prohibited on broadcast radio and television between the hours of 6 a.m. to 10 p.m.


http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/obscene.html

Of course, Cartoon Network is on cable, so that doesn't apply anyway.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message My Anime My Manga
daxomni



Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 2650
Location: Somewhere else.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:38 pm Reply with quote
Swordfish_II wrote:
daxomni wrote:
Absurd Hero wrote:
Obscenity laws don't apply between 10PM and 4AM, so they could have easily shown the whole series uncut.


A uncompromisingly brazen statement like that needs to be backed-up with sources and links. Either back it up or retract it, your choice.


Quote:
Consistent with a federal statute and federal court decisions interpreting the indecency statute, the Commission adopted a rule pursuant to which broadcasts -- both on television and radio -- that fit within the indecency definition and that are aired between 6:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. are subject to indecency enforcement action.


Quote:
Like indecency, profane speech is prohibited on broadcast radio and television between the hours of 6 a.m. to 10 p.m.


http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/obscene.html

Of course, Cartoon Network is on cable, so that doesn't apply anyway.


He specifically referred to obscenity. Thus, from your very own link we can see that...

Quote:
Obscene Broadcasts Are Prohibited at All Times

The Supreme Court established the definition of obscenity. The Supreme Court’s definition is designed to cover hard-core pornography. Obscene material is not protected by the First Amendment and cannot be broadcast at any time. To be obscene, material must meet a three-prong test:

- An average person, applying contemporary community standards, must find that the material, as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest;

- The material must depict or describe, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by applicable law; and

- The material, taken as a whole, must lack serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.


Now, you may not think that NGE could ever be confused with obscene pornography, and I would agree with you, but surprisingly that doesn't really matter. A national broadcast can be prosecuted in any location from where it is viewable, and that includes every little fundamentalist religious enclave that you've never heard of. Even if the FCC was unable to prosecute you, broadcasting any obscene material in any form is a criminal act in-and-of itself. There is no media or form of transmission that is allowed to broadcast obscenity in the United States of America at any time of day or night.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message My Anime
Kazuki-san



Joined: 21 May 2004
Posts: 2251
Location: Houston, TX
PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:56 pm Reply with quote
daxomni wrote:
A national broadcast can be prosecuted in any location from where it is viewable, and that includes every little fundamentalist religious enclave that you've never heard of.


Sort of accurate. Broadcasting obscenity is a federal offense. As such, it gets tried in federal court, of which there are not that many. It gets tried by federal prosecutors, who would not likely be a fundamentalist religious person. In any case, there are guidelines for what defines obscenity, and it's a big stretch to ever think a court would rule anything occuring in Eva patently obscene. Now, that's completely different from broadcasting indecent material, which would be what it would most likely fall under if anything. Although, as has been said, CN is exempt from FCC broadcast standards.

Although it does appear they are held to daytime indeceny standards. I found this little archived bit of info on ADV's site. It's from the original run of Eva on Giant Robot Week.

ADV Films Statement wrote:

A statement from ADV Films re: Giant Robot Week on Cartoon Network

HOUSTON February 25 2003 - Cartoon Network is currently airing episodes from Neon Genesis Evangelion Dai-Guard Martian Successor Nadesico and the Harmony Gold production Robotech during the afternoon Toonami block as part of Giant Robot Week (Feb 24-28 2003).

While recognizing the value and significance of the anime titles they were granted permission to broadcast Cartoon Network is also bound by the exigencies of daytime broadcast—including the requirement that the content they broadcast be per FCC regulations suitable for children. Cartoon Network’s edits which were minor were in accordance with FCC broadcast requirements.

The hours in which the show aired, were during the daytime indecency hours.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address MSN Messenger My Anime
daxomni



Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 2650
Location: Somewhere else.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:26 pm Reply with quote
Kazuki-san wrote:
Sort of accurate. Broadcasting obscenity is a federal offense. As such, it gets tried in federal court, of which there are not that many. It gets tried by federal prosecutors, who would not likely be a fundamentalist religious person.


Do you know what Ashcroft said was his main goal for the Justice Department at the beginning of his reign? Prosecuting obscenity. In fact, a whole series of various obscenity charges had been reviewed and were being prepared just prior to the events of 9-11.

Kazuki-san wrote:
In any case, there are guidelines for what defines obscenity, and it's a big stretch to ever think a court would rule anything occuring in Eva patently obscene.


I would tend to agree with you. However, there are a growing number of zip codes where conventional pornography and even hentai are no longer sold (for fear of prosecution) and this even includes what I would consider to be extremely soft-core material. It is my view that most obscenity cases only require a somewhat sympathetic jury and the unwavering determination of the Justice Department to be won. In America, you can talk about sex on TV all you want, but you better not show anything that looks like a breast and god help us all if you show a nipple.

Kazuki-san wrote:
Now, that's completely different from broadcasting indecent material, which would be what it would most likely fall under if anything. But, as has been said, CN is not under the FCC broadcast standards, so that matters little.


My comments mainly refer to the unwarranted statement made about obscenity laws, as opposed to the nature of the FCC, CN content, or broadcast standards in general.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message My Anime
Absurd Hero



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Posts: 18
Location: Atlanta, GA, US
PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:53 pm Reply with quote
Ah yes, as others have mentioned, I was speaking in a very general way about the FCC indecency rules. I should have realized every little thing I say is prone to vicious cross-examination, so I'll make sure to be more clear about such things in the future.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
djarch



Joined: 08 Apr 2005
Posts: 41
PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:07 am Reply with quote
noriko-takaya wrote:
All of this is exactly why I will never watch anime on commercial television. To see a series I love get butchered up really makes me mad. So I stay away.


butchered? wow.

All of you is why 24/7 Anime networks still aren't as mainstream as we would hope them to be. It was a rather funny scene, but haven't it out wasn't the worst thing that could happen to show. Talk to me after all of the episodes have aired, and we'll see where we stand.

I honestly think that some people will never be satisfied until we can watch Kite unedited on tv. Yikes!

But seriously, I hope you'll reconsider, we need anime fans to WATCH these things if we want them to become more mainstream, and have more lenient standards that would allow us to watch our anime uncut.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Starwind Amada



Joined: 26 Sep 2004
Posts: 981
Location: Easton, PA, USA
PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:41 am Reply with quote
noriko-takaya wrote:
All of this is exactly why I will never watch anime on commercial television. To see a series I love get butchered up really makes me mad. So I stay away.


Oh, boo-hoo, they cut 3 seconds of footage. Big friggin' deal. I got news for you - cutting 3 seconds of boob-grabbing out of a half-hour program about a battle against alien invaders is NOT butchering the anime. If you want to whine about butchering, there's always One Piece. Stop whining about every little thing or go back to your bootlegs that you probably adore. Seriously, these kinds of remarks are pathetic.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address
NGE1113



Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Posts: 1081
Location: Alexandria, VA.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:20 am Reply with quote
Phantom14 wrote:

If it is so bad, they should do what they are doing to second GIG, slap a TVMA on it, and leave it alone.


Don't know if anyone's noticed it yet, but [as] has two different ratings for Eva. The first, of course, is the TV-PG seen when an episodes starts. The second, which is seen during a commercial for the title, is TV-14-VLDS. Could this latter rating mean anything in terms of ep. 18, or was it just something that [as] missed?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Swordfish_II



Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 617
PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:44 am Reply with quote
NGE1113 wrote:

Don't know if anyone's noticed it yet, but [as] has two different ratings for Eva. The first, of course, is the TV-PG seen when an episodes starts. The second, which is seen during a commercial for the title, is TV-14-VLDS. Could this latter rating mean anything in terms of ep. 18, or was it just something that [as] missed?


The rating shouldn't change mid-episode, so that was probably an error. Their ad had TV-14 DLSV, which would be the highest rating they've given any episode.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message My Anime My Manga
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Anime News Network Forum Index -> Site-related -> Talkback All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3
Page 3 of 3

 


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group