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One Piece and Naruto #1 in their time slots

Scryed should have aired on Toonami.

And since you're obviously SO good at reading, you must have seen what I wrote about why InuYasha is on Adult Swim instead of Toonami?

Different standards for different countries. Detective Conan is also a show where 90+% of its episodes revolve around murders.

Um... what? Since when is saying that a show belongs on ___ "elitism"?

Or you know, they could give it a late slot and loose TV-PG.

Oh, and by that logic (with editing the manji), 4Kids should be going broke with the mass edits they're making to One Piece (every trace of the word "Marine" is erased and replaced with the word "Navy", and they also did a similar edit to a town called "Loguetown" where they changed the L to an R), though I guess they're getting close...

It's a great show, but it's thematic material is about as intense as Evangelion

It might be the same level of violence and stuff as Naruto and One Piece but have you ever considered that a show can be considered "adult" for reasons that *gasp* don't have to do with being innapropriate for children?

Inu-Yasha was put on the air back when Adult Swim Action was starving for content so they started airing shows that had been originally intended for Toonami.

Seriously, Adult Swim NEEDS shows. Right now they're running Cobwboy Bebop yet again (for the billionth showing of each episode), and FLCL (which is only SIX episodes and yet is rarely out of circulation for more than three months). Now these are good shows, but please, there's only so many times they can rerun the damned things. You almost never see a live action show enter syndication with less than 100 episodes, much less 6.

Now, sure, there are more adult shows that they could try running, such as Blood+, Berserk, Elfen Lied, or whatever, but for whatever reason they aren't. They need to fill three programing ours with material, and unedited episodes of Naruto, One Piece, or Bleach would fit that space perfectly.

Toonami has TONS of usable material already, including Yakitate Japan, JLU, Titans, a near infinite amount of Gash Bell, Hunter X Hunter, Flame of Recca, Vandel Buster Beet, Tsubasa, Negima (the show's not as ecchi as the manga, but it could go either way), MAR, etc. It's not like they're hurting for material to show.

Yes, because it couldn't run under Toonami standards. And it's still on Adult Swim.

Exactly my point, different standards for different countries. Bleach is a show in which at least half the episodes contain extremely violent and bloody fights (more bloody than any episode of Conan at least). What might be a teen show in Japan clearly does not count as a teen show in the US.

You were, and correct me if I'm wrong, saying that Bleach was not "good enough" for Adult Swim, that it was not "adult" enough, in your opinion. That is elitism, because it is placing it in a class below another.

Didn't work for Naruto.

We're talking the entire hilt of the main character's sword. I'm a digital artist by trade, and I can tell you that it would be a considerably more costly thing to edit than most of 4Kid's edits. It'd be a moving object, in a non-constrained space, with transparent components. Text editing is really not all that hard by compairison. They could probably edit it, but it would be time consuming, expensive, and would inevitably look horrible. That's not even counting the massive amount of blood.

They have enough shows. I agree that the Cowboy Bebop thing is overkill, but would you rather they run back to back InuYasha?

Naruto and One Piece aren't going to air on Adult Swim because Viz and 4Kids have already decided that they're best for the audience that they have right now. Not only that, but they do NOT BELONG ON ADULT SWIM. Saying otherwise is absurd. Violence does not make a show adult.

Are half of those series even licensed? BTW, Titans was canceled, and JLU may suffer the same fate.

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Yes, because it couldn't run under Toonami standards. And it's still on Adult Swim.

Because it's proven to work there.

And does the blood make it an "adult show"? Since when does content decide a show's demographic?

Naruto was edited for TV-Y7. Someone at CN got cold feet and rated it TV-PG.

The Marine officers in One Piece frequently move around, so it's not like all they would have to do is paint over their hats once and they're done.

For such editors (who apparently have a lot of time on their hands), I doubt editing a swastika symbol off of the hilt of a sword is not as hard as you make it out to be.

No, if they're going to rerun something into the ground it might as well be Bebop, but they should pick up more new shows than they do.

Neither does putting it on Adult Swim. It's a purely arbitrary descision. You know what does qualify a show for Adult Swim? If the people that do programming for Adult Swim SAY it belongs on Adult Swim. Nothing more, nothing less. There's no objective criteria that says that a show doesn't belong on Adult Swim, if they want it there, it can be there, and Naruto, One Piece, or Bleach, in there unedited formats, COULD go there.

Yeah, bad ideas all around. The ratings for both series were solid, and they have nothing good to replace them with.

Because it disqualifies it from being a "kid's show". I'm not quibbling with you about whether sex or violence makes a show truly adult, surely a show can be "adult" with neither of those things, but who cares? Those elements, due to the messed up editing standards of US television, disqualify a show from being considered a "kids show", disqualify it from running in Toonami (by CN's arbitrary standards), and therefore necessitates that it run under Adult Swim, if it is to run at all in it's original form.

I've heard nothing to that effect. Where did you?

Do you understand how digital painting works? To replace the Marine logo, they merely have to place a white square over it, and then a Navy logo on top of that, and move it across the screen relative to the character. I could detail how each of the other edits are done, but let me assure you that editing something like the recent episodes of Bleach WOULD take considerably more effort than editing One Piece has so far.

It's not a symbol painted onto the hilt, it IS the hilt itself. Again, stop talking about stuff you don't have first hand knowledge of.

Bump Adult Swim to 10PM, run better shows in that timeslot. The restrictions of Toonami are too harsh. Fricking Drawn Together runs at 10:30pm.

So uh, how did this turn into a BoBoBo hating topic?

*may be partial being a BoBoBo fan*

Anyway, its ratings aren't that good =(

Unfortunately I kind of agree with you there. Saturdays are going to have The Boondocks and Stroker & Hoop lead them off, so say goodbye to an all-anime Saturday night... again...

Then I don't agree with the people who do programming for Adult Swim. I think a show should be truly adult for it to be aired on Adult Swim, and whether the programmers agree with me or not isn't the argument here.

Then there's The Batman, but that sucks. In any case, Zatch Bell, One Piece, and Naruto are performing strongly enough to keep Toonami afloat for now, so I don't think there's much to worry about.

Or you know, a teen's show, which right now, the closest thing to that is Toonami.

From Comic Con, I think it was. A Viz rep said it would be Y7.

Somehow I doubt that.

You know, there's always the option of keeping it... unedited (gasp). Didn't the swastika originally mean good will? Presto, excuse if the soccer moms start crying (if they give it a TV-PG rating, all the more reason for them to keep it).

Lemme guess...liked Ling-Lings new battle partner?

As for the ratings, i'm not surprised. Ninjas, psycho dolls, and 4Kids finest hack job to date draws the numbers.

Stroker and Hoop? Even 12 Oz. Mouse and Perfect Hair forever would be better than Stroker and Hoop. That show's truely horrible.

I think that's unnecessary. Adult Swim is just a block of programing that runs from 11-2 Saturday nights, then then reruns, and traditionally shows anime on saturday nights. The "adult" in the title indicates that the shows are in some ways "adult" in content, but it's not "mature" swim, so there's no need for the material to be mature in nature (although certainly it could be, and at least some of it should be).

Then there's The Batman, but that sucks. In any case, Zatch Bell, One Piece, and Naruto are performing strongly enough to keep Toonami afloat for now, so I don't think there's much to worry about.

Or Adult Swim.

Did he know what he was talking about or was he just guessing? Not everybody knows everything about what their own companies are up to. Even paid community representative people are often half in the dark about things. I'm always skeptical of heresay, even from company insiders, when it isn't backed up by official statements.

It's just how it is. Look into it.

It's not the swastika, it the manji, the reverse swastika. It Is a symbol of good, and actually relates to the kanji for "Bankai", but we both know that's entirely irrelevant. To MOST people who are stupid, the kind who send in angry letters, it will appear to be a swastika, and they will get upset, and they will send letters, and the exec at CN, being dangerously phobic about the postal system, will wet themselves, and things will have to be done to "fix" it.

Actually, their finest hackjob to date is GI Joe. That show's fairly smooth. One Piece is an impressive editing example, I'm sure the company of the software they use put it on their demo reel, but it became a fairly horrid show as a result of the hacking and slashing.

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Stroker and Hoop? Even 12 Oz. Mouse and Perfect Hair forever would be better than Stroker and Hoop. That show's truely horrible.

Agreed...

Though they're running a 12 Oz. Mouse marathon on New Years -_-;

Though they're running a 12 Oz. Mouse marathon on New Years -_-; .

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Or you know, they could give it a late slot and loose TV-PG.

Didn't work for Naruto.

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It's a great show, but it's thematic material is about as intense as Evangelion

Eva was a kid's show too.

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It might be the same level of violence and stuff as Naruto and One Piece but have you ever considered that a show can be considered "adult" for reasons that *gasp* don't have to do with being innapropriate for children?

You know that, and I know that, but the network censors don't know that. As such, I frame the debate in terms as they understand them. IF a show needs edits, it's adult, and as such belongs on Adult Swim. If it can run with very minimal edits, then it's Toonami, simple, clear-cut.

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Inu-Yasha was put on the air back when Adult Swim Action was starving for content so they started airing shows that had been originally intended for Toonami.

Oh yeah, AS is much better for content now. How long until they start airing two eps of Bebop per rotation?

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Ohoni wrote: Stroker and Hoop? Even 12 Oz. Mouse and Perfect Hair forever would be better than Stroker and Hoop. That show's truely horrible. Agreed... Though they're running a 12 Oz. Mouse marathon on New Years -_-;

December 31 will be the worst day for Adult Swim if this is true. They'd better prepare for a big ratings drop for that night.

So you don't like the Naruto dub. Whoopee. Everyone else seems to like it, so you're the odd one out.

And I highly doubt you are an expert on digital editing. I'd love to hear your error-filled tutorial on how to butcher an anime (the 4Kids way).

I'm sure it's more than placing a white square on something and slapping on alternate text.

I think that if something like Bleach comes along where it's hard to put it in one specific place (too much content for Toonami, too teen oriented enough for Adult Swim), that there should be some sort of middleground block created that aims at teens, because right now there's Adult Swim (adults) and Toonami (kids and tweens). No teens.

Bleach could run fairly intact on Toonami... from what my friend is telling me though, the second season might require more freedom...

You know... if DBZ Uncut hasn't been taken off the air in all its nudity and bloody impalement goodness, then I doubt the soccer moms will raise a stink about a swastika-looking thing in Bleach, especially since I doubt it'll be popular enough to have the overreacting Christian parents after it.

It shouldn't surprise you, G.I. Joe was made for them.

December 31 will be the worst day for Adult Swim if this is true. They'd better prepare for a big ratings drop for that night.

EVA was mismarketted entirely. If a show like Bleach is considered "adult" in America but "kid/teen" in Japan, that's one thing, but when the Japanese general public consider the show too innapropriate for children AND it contains lots of sophistacted material that only the absolute smartest of kids could possibly have a chance of understanding then you can say that the show isn't really a "kids show".