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Animefan16
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Unfortunately, AS doesn't care about teens. Look at Case Closed, which was cancelled due to bad ratings with adults but had good ratings with teens. YYH was moved to toonami since it only did well with teens.
Surprisingly, the last episode of the Raditz part of the Saiyan Saga completely uncut. All the blood was kept in. And this was shown on 7:30. Last edited by Animefan16 on Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:20 pm; edited 4 times in total |
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Yashouzoid
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Oh piss, I don't keep up with it. Does that make me any less able to say that Bleach should be on Toonami? It's not like I haven't seen anything of it, and it's also not like I haven't seen anything past the first couple of episodes.
Um... what do you mean? DBZ has been airing on CN since June, 100% uncut with blood spilling everywhere and Gohan/Goku's baby wangs exposed every now and then, and not even on Adult Swim (which, before now, I thought would be the only place it could air fully uncut). And DBZ was the show that pretty much made anime mainstream in America. Parents aren't fussing over it - not enough for it to be a concern, anyway - so why doubt Bleach getting through fairly intact? |
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patch
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Well, because you haven't seen it you really shouldn't attempt to judge/classify the show to whatever preconcieved notions you have and defer to those here who have. well, you said it actually earlier in this thread:
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joel_s95387
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Howl, Zabimaru! When I think Bleach I think blood. Yeah I agree with everyone else Yashouzoid and if you havn't kept up, you probably missed all the blood. Most of the battles are, as stated before, "bloodbaths". From what you've said I think you have only seen the begining when Ichigo Kurosaki fights the hollows because those contain minimal blood and I don't think I rememeber hollows bleeding. Death God battles are really bloody though and I agree it will be difficult for Toonami to air this show. If edits are done to this show most episodes will be like 14 minutes. Blood removal would probably be pricey considering this show contain so much. IF aired I really hope [as] picks it up.
Back to the initial topic, I'm glad anime is becoming more popular and I hope it's a step forward for the anime industry. I like to watch Naruto once in a while and i also watch Zatch Bell when it's on and I've seen a couple of episodes of One Piece. I have to say I like the episodes of One Piece that I have seen, about 5, so I think I've gotten lucky and watched the "good" episodes because every one seems to talk crap about this series. I've always wondered how ratings know who/what age class is watching the show. Personally I leave my receiver on so technically Cartoon Network is on all night so do their late night/morning shows receive my house hold for their ratings? How do they know it's me, a 19 year old, watching the show and not my parents. My dad loves to watch Ed Edd and Eddy so how do they know it's him and not me. On Sundays I like to turn off the receiver because I think shows like Tom Goes To The Mayor will get my ratings and I don't want [as] releasing new episodes. Same goes for 12 mouse and perfect hair. I wonder who the hell watches this crap. I've seen Stroker and Hoop a couple of times and I don't really hate this show. I like the comedy but the animation could be a whole lot better. I can't say the same for 12 ounce mouse and Tom Goes because these shows would be crap no matter how they are presented. Not to mention Squidbillies this is another horrible show. I don't think they are very funny but I liked Sealab and Harvey Birdman's comedy a lot a lot though so I don't much care for animation but visuals won't hurt a show either. |
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Ohoni
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YES, yes it does. You clearly are outside the loop on many of the things that we're telling you would make difficult and ugly edits, and yet you insist that they would not be a problem. How can you insist that they would not be a problem if you haven't seen them?
Yeah, but DBZ is fairly light on blood in the first place (less than One Piece or Bleach, probably on par with Naruto uncut), and the wangs are tiny. There aren't any swastika (excepot maybe in Dragon Ball, I forget).
Some are fairly edit light, but they've completely removed about fifteen to twenty episodes from the series so far (they're on Japanese ep 80-ish I think?), and notably shortened another dozen or so, made numerous and gratuitous edits (althoguh mostly WELL done so that it's hard to tell if you don't know what to look for), and the voices are almost all considerably worse than the original (ZoRo and Chopper's are fairly solid, but Luffy, Nami, and Sanji are a trainwreck). They even cut several episodes from when they entered the grand line into a single masterpiece of editing, in which they removed a storyline involving entering a giant whale, meeting an old man, getting attacked by Mr. 9 and Miss. Wednesday, resulting in their returning them to Whisky Peak, and recieving their Log Pose, along with an explaination on it's use, a VITAL plotpoint for Grand Line navigation. This was replaced by a very hasty and incomplete explaination about the "Grand Compass" or whatever they called it that was largely incomplete. It's pretty horrible if you're familliar with the actual show.
You don't count unless you have a Neisen's box. If you do I believe you're suppose to make note of who's watching what, so they know which members of the household are watching at any given time. Watch what you want, don't watch what you don't, they don't care what you watch (or me for that matter). We don't count. |
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Mugen The Great
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I know that stuff aimed at all ages can be deep, just like a lot of the classics made in America by Disney, Warner Bros., and Pixar. However, the thing is that those American classics (and Japanese shows like Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, Dragonball, Conan, etc.) were made with standards of what would be considered appropriate for most children. Evangelion didn't even obey the extremely loose Japanese standards, so it probably doesn't fit in the range of stuff considered "appropriate for most children". Lots of kids in America are able to enjoy shows like Futurama and Family Guy. Doesn't make those shows aimed at them. |
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Yashouzoid
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Blood is not something that's hard to edit. That and the swastika are the only arguments you've presented me with, and chances are the swastika might even be kept.
Not last night's ep...
Nope, you just watched the 4Kids experience, which is the worst manhandling of a dub to date. |
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Isaaru
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no not really. they kept the names (except Zoro's for logical reasons), and the events are in order. And the central story is intact. The worst manhandling of a dub to date it still CARDCAPTOR SAKURA aka CARDCAPTORS http://www.cardcaptors-uncensored.com/series.shtml and yes, that was the order in which the episodes were shown. |
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joel_s95387
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So these rating of who is watching what is only in effect for some people? Those with a Niesen box? What about the rest of America? These select few cannot speak for everyone else I mean look at the elections. Evey vote counts. Bet these test are not administered in the "bad" side of town. You know accross the railroads where your momma tells you to never go. Who says these people don't count? How does the network broadcasting the Super Bowl know how many people are watching it? Are these boxes available world wide?
I clicked the Cardcaptor link and thats a horrible order. I remember watching Cardcaptors when it first aired on the WB and I thought it was decent so is the unedited series better? |
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Yashouzoid
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha you're kidding, right? 4Kids changed several major plot points and skipped over 20 some episodes so they could speed to another character (Chopper). Don't believe me? - Bellemere's death being cut. This is extremely important as it's pretty much the entire point of the Arlong arc. Not only that, but by "sending her to dungeon", it makes a huge plothole - Nami visited Zoro and set him free. She could have done the same for Bellemere? - The Log Pose. In the original, the Strawhats retrieved the Log Pose from an old man named Crocus (I think it was) - they also met Ms. Wednesday (Vivi) and Mr. 9 here. In the dub, they change it for some inexplicable reason so that Usopp already had a Log Pose, and that Sanji already knows how to use it. Because they skipped over Vivi and Mr. 9, they don't meet them until they get to Whiskey Peak (Misty Peak in the dub), so yes, they do change the order of some things. - Little Garden being cut. This means several big plot changes: 1) Vivi just magically remembers that Igaram gave her the Eternal Pose in the dub, because in the original, Sanji was the one who found it after talking to Mr. 0. 2) Mr. 3's introduction is VERY important because he plays a future role in Alabasta. 3) Little Garden (an ENTIRE STORY ARC) being cut made a big plothole in the Drum arc, where Nami came down with an illness and they had to stop to see a doctor. In the dub, you never find out how she gets her bug bite (which is what caused her disease). In the original, it was shown in Little Garden. 4) Dorry and Brogy, the two giants who were introduced in Little Garden, are important for the current Water 7 arc in Japan. Whatever was left the same they decided they had to ruin anyway. The only arc that's even come through remotely intact is the Drum story.
On Kids' WB. In other countries, Cardcaptors was shown in its proper order, with from what I've heard a better dub, and there was an uncut DVD release that actually was gotten out in full (if One Piece is EVER released uncut, chances are 4Kids will pull it after a couple of discs for some bullshit reason, regardless of sales, because they suck as a company). Yes, Cardcaptors got off pretty bad. But to say that it was worse off than One Piece is a load of crap. |
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Ohoni
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Clearly you don't mind being wrong on this one so I don't see any reason to debate that point further with you.
If you think there's a lot of blood in DBZ then clearly you haven't watched enough Bleach.
Not true. The excised one filler arc, which is understandable (but featured the extremely cool Gum Gum Rocket Axe attack), but they also cut several important episodes from the begining of the Grand Line arc, and they cut the extremely relevant Giant Island arc. They also changed Captain Smoker to Captain Chaser, and moved several important plotpoints around, rewrote them to remove their emotional impact, or removed them completely. It was a pretty thorough hack-job. Card Captors might have been worse, but that wasn't 4Kids.
Representative democracy. Every one of them supposedly accounts for a bunch of other people. You just have to hope that some of those guys like the same things you do.
Much. Card Captor Sakura is a completely different show. |
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Yashouzoid
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Now, see, you misinterpreted that. I have seen Bleach. I want to see more, but slow torrents prevents me from that. From what I have seen, I think Bleach belongs on Toonami.
Ever hear of the electoral college? You're not really voting for the president, you're voting for some stiffs to vote for the president. |
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Isaaru
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I said central story. Misfit pirate gang seeking a legendary treasure and helping each other out. i don't like approve of the choice of changes, but hey, that's there stupidity. If someone cares and the show goes on then that edit must have a fan base. Come to think of it, so did Cardcaptors....though One Piece is lasting longer. But o dear god.. I recall the ranting back when Cardcaptors aired. Downloading wasnt as big so those that knew better were not as big as One Piece fans today. But those people that watched Cardcaptor Sakura first (me for one) would probably agree on which handing was worse. In other countries Cardcaptors is shown in proper order under the title Cardcaptor Sakura. Ohoni is right; Cardcaptors is a diffrent show, and that what makes it worse than One Piece. The dubbing there just adds to the insult because it exists and makes it horrible. All the people I knew that ranted on Cardcaptors back in the day were not fans of the dub either. As far as dub goes, I've heard far worse, many times. i think Sanji sucks, and I hoped Zoro's to have a bit more emotion. But in the end it's really the bad editing makes the dubbed voices horrible. It's really hard to seperate the two when the whole package is hated altogther. Ask non 'otaku" fans (probably kids who don't know what a bittorrent is) what they think of the voice acting, and i bet you'll get a positive response. My only grip is that 4kids has no plans to release One Piece uncut. And that shows immaturity on thier part (or spite for all the internet backlash). |
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Ohoni
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Right, and from what WE'VE seen, it doesn't. WE trump you because we've seen everything you have, and much more, which gives us more perspective on the series.
I was right there with you when Card Captors came out, it was horrid, but I actually understand the descision more. The changes to One Piece are just gratuitous. With CCS they art least had an idea behind the changes, namely that CCS was FAR too girly to succeed on American TV at that time, and they did what they could to cram the series to meet their expectations. Was it a good idea? Not really, but at least they had a working theory, and I can at least partially respect that. Also, at the time, anime hadn't come nearly as far as it has today. It was one of the few anime on broadcast tv since Robotech, so it was more expected that significant changes would be made. $kids doesn't have that excuse these days. |
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