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rektagunn wrote:

From a Constitutional standpoint:
No rapist will succeed in a case claiming his right of free speech, regardless whether the standard of review was based on rational scrutiny, intermediate scrutiny, or strict scrutiny. That's why we have Child Pornography Laws (rightfully, so).

Which as so completely vague, you could theoreticlly be arrested for having Uncut DBZ (ZOMG, Gohan showed his Pee-Pee!!) and Crayon Shinchan (Happy Elephant Dance!!) if the Federali bothered to break down your door for it.

Malintex Terek wrote:

fighterholic wrote:

I myself do look at loli as well, but if you were to act on it, then there's a problem. I've thought about acting on it, but knowing that it is wrong I've had to go to a health councilor, and will go to a psychiatrist to make sure it doesn't become a big issue. And yes, this has gone on since I've read manga. I haven't raped anybody though. Is somebody going to call me a pedo?

You're clearly an idiot and are defintely a pedophile. One can only dangle a bone in front of a dog for so long before it tries to bite at it. Stupid 18-25 year old men will mentally diminish the severity of pedophillia whenever they look at it; first, it's pictures. Then, it's touching a child. Finally, before one knows it, it's intercourse.

The line must be drawn at the beginning. If one even thinks about *seriously* looking at the kind of stuff, that trend of thinking must be fixed.

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So if it drawn from the beginning, then there are is no hope for possible pedophiles to go through rehab and therefore they will be pedos for the rest of their lives is what you're basically saying.

Hah! You know what, you make me laugh!

"rehab". As if pedophiles need to recover from raping children. Pleeeease. Psychology does not work; Woody Allen, the man who married his daughter, is clear support for that. Furthermore, the vast majority of sexual criminal offenders moved to other states after they got out of prison and committed more sexual assaults.

And you're telling me we need to fix these guys.

Why are you attacking this poor man? Fighterholic is a kind, intelligent person, and you're ripping him to pieces for admitting he has a problem and seeking help. I'm proud of him that he's seeking therapy; he's scared he might eventually hurt someone and is trying to get help before it's too late. It's the most honest and respectable thing someone in his position could ever possibly do. He deserves applause, not insults. I don't know why, but for some reason I'm crying. I've never met fighterholic in real life --heck; I don't even know his real name! -- but it feels like you're personally attacking one of my friends. I'm not going to throw insults back at you, since I don't know you personally and, who knows, you may be a nice person in real life, although you're certainly not acting like it here. Just get off his back and leave the poor guy alone.

If you're fearful of causing harm to someone, then it really doesn't matter whether the thought to rape a child crosses your mind one time or ten thousand times; you won't actually do it. Most child molestors/rapists either don't care about the harm or are fully convinced that there really is no harm at all.

Wolverine Princess wrote:

he's scared he might eventually hurt someone and is trying to get help before it's too late.

Too late? The very fact that he is concerned about this actually occuring means that it will never happen. There's no "too late" here.

Steroid wrote:

And that's wrong. Punishing speech for inciting action is wrong.

So, say Dave gives some big, moving speech about how people should kill all non-white people at the earliest possible moment to a group of people who are already a little off in the head. To everyone's complete surprised, a bunch of them go out and kill... non-white people!

They're obviously going to rot in jail for a while, but you're saying that Dave should remain completely free, able to go on and incite another crowd to violence?

Now, perhaps they might have gone on to kill someone on their own. Certainly they had the notion. But would they have said it without some sort of support from outside of their own, small world? Or would they have just kept it as a fantasy to themselves?

In the same way, I don't see how someone could be into lolicon without being attracted to children in general. Now, with the lolicon, they may just be having a fantasy. But they see that lolicon and continue that fantasy, and eventually wonder what it would be like to see a real kid... a downward spiral.

Again, because there's no guarantee that someone looking at lolicon will turn into a child molestor, it should not be banned. In the same way, just because you play violent games doesn't mean you'll actually go out and do violence.

However, as mention previously, if you have violent tendencies, violent games will only fuel those urges. In the same way, if you have molestation tendencies, even if you've only thought about actually molesting a child, lolicon will only fuel that desire.

Now, the reason that society doesn't look down upon violent games as much as it does on lolicon (don't get confused, though- society does look down on violent games) is because violent games are seen as a potential outlet for violent tendencies, an assumed natural urge. Better to blow up a digital picture than another human.

While sexuality is also a natural urge, it's a repressed one. Pornography alone is seen as a bane upon society, but for all the fluttering not a whole lot is done to fight to fight it (aside from keeping it out the hands of kids) because it does involve consenting individuals. However, when kids are involved it becomes a whole different matter. While there may not be actual humans used in erotic drawings, it's often assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that drawings are based off of actual humans. So, if you have drawings of children, they were likely based off real children, and so real children were put in some sort of harm's way to make these drawings.

Deltakiral wrote:

Oh that answerman....That captions is going to lead to some very dirty response I believe.

Tell me about it, since I'm very worried that many people will take a "very perverted" approach to my favorite couple when it comes to anime/manga.

Wow, 3 rants! Are you trying to kill us Zac!? Anyway, great column, it's too bad it always comes on when I've already logged off. Sure if I entire some german space portal through galactical continum, and pause time, I would read all 200 posts. However time is money...

I remember posting some Answerman column's back about how yaoi sickens me, however,*puke* lollicon is just earthshatteringly wrong. If I were to see and speek to one of these people in person, I may get nightmares.

I really doesn't make sense that people say anime dubs needs swearing and blood like the original. I mean, you all in joy the "family approprioate" anime (like many of the Ghibl films) so there is no way anime needs it.

Also, speeking of One Piece bootlegs and and the 4kids dub, here's a question: What would you pick One Piece bootleg or the dub?

Abarenbo Shogun wrote:

Which as so completely vague, you could theoreticlly be arrested for having Uncut DBZ (ZOMG, Gohan showed his Pee-Pee!!) and Crayon Shinchan (Happy Elephant Dance!!) if the Federali bothered to break down your door for it.

Not quite you. The government might be wacky but they do keep the laws to a sane level. The law in question only bans anime that involves children in an explicit sexual situation. Section 1866A iirc. So, in otherwords, feel free to draw all the nood kidz you want, just make it one kid to a page and keep their hands well above their wastes.

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Also, speeking of One Piece bootlegs and and the 4kids dub, here's a question: What would you pick One Piece bootleg or the dub?

Oh, Thank God! A topic change. I DID go through all 200 some posts. It got two pages longer while I read them...

I voted bootleg. As of yesterday's mail my anime collection is exactly 1400 DVDs. One Piece is the only bootleg I have ever knowingly bought. And to stave off a different rant, I have only purchased three single bootleg DVDs unknowingly and have since replaced all but one of them with legit copies. I have not watched the one remaining DVD since discovering it to be a bootleg and expect to replace it the next time I need ballast on a Rightstuf order to get free shipping.

On second thought, would someone please start a rant berating me for ever purchasing bootlegs of any sort, under any conditions? It would be an improvement over the last 17 pages...

You are an absolutely terrible person for buying bootlegs! I can't imagine why you would ever want to do such a thing, under any circumstances. Buying bootlegs is wrong and steals money from the artists involved. You should never buy bootlegs under any circumstances whatsoever!

Was that good? Wink

*slides slightly shady anime DVDs out of sight* Bootlegs, what bootlegs?

I too read all 17 pages of this thread. Man, that was a trip.

chrisb wrote:

Treeloot: what's wrong with a teenager watching something like Bottle Fairy? I'm 17 and I have seen some of it and other series like it and I like it not because of feelings of desire for the characters but just because the stories and characters are very sweet and cute. It's like getting a feeling of watching two puppies play around or seeing a new born baby; it's relaxing and gives a warm feeling of happiness. I don't see what's so creepy about a teenager or grown male liking something like Bottle Fairy as long as they just watch it because it's sweet and they want to watch something to catch a break from all the intenseness of more mature anime. Believe or not guys still have soft spots for things that make you go "awww" But we tend to keep it more private haha.

I can handle kid's shows. I can play with puppies all damn day. I really like Spongebob, it's a funny well written show. It might be aimed at kids and be really cartoony, but it's got enough substance to keep me watching.

Cute on the other hand does NOT keep me watching something. If a show is cute, it better have something going for it besides cute, or I'm not going to watch it. Azumanga Daioh was a lousy show, because all it had going for it was cute. People can tell me it was funny all damn day, but I'm note sure I laughed once. It was slow moving and dull. Bottle Fairy looks the same way, style with no substance.

CrazyCanuck wrote:

I voted bootleg. As of yesterday's mail my anime collection is exactly 1400 DVDs. One Piece is the only bootleg I have ever knowingly bought. And to stave off a different rant, I have only purchased three single bootleg DVDs unknowingly and have since replaced all but one of them with legit copies. I have not watched the one remaining DVD since discovering it to be a bootleg and expect to replace it the next time I need ballast on a Rightstuf order to get free shipping.

On second thought, would someone please start a rant berating me for ever purchasing bootlegs of any sort, under any conditions? It would be an inprovement over the last 17 pages...

I really can't scream the hell out of you when the fact that you didn't know that it was a bootleg was in place. Although I feel that you were stolen of money, which is very unfortunate.

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Although I feel that you were stolen of money, which is very unfortunate.

Yeah I know. I've bought a lot of anime on ebay over the years and this is the only seller that actually managed to get me. These days I won't buy unless it says it's R1 or if the actual item picture is recognizable as legit. Not that I ebay much anymore. Shipping costs always kill a good deal.

CrazyCanuck wrote:

Yeah I know. I've bought a lot of anime on ebay over the years and this is the only seller that actually managed to get me. These days I won't buy unless it says it's R1 or if the actual item picture is recognizable as legit. Not that I ebay much anymore. Shipping costs always kill a good deal.

See, now by reading posts on this website I've learned not to so easily put my trust in places like ebay, amazon.com and animecastle. A couple weeks ago I actually did find a bootleg, it had all the episodes of a series I've been wanting to see on 2 discs. I thought it was too good to be true. But when I looked I saw it didn't have the distributor on it, which is one clue to telling it's a bootleg. And when all the eps are on 2 discs, then that's pretty suspicious. I'd rather pay more for a legit copy, because there's more merit to it, plus bonus features.

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Also, speeking of One Piece bootlegs and and the 4kids dub, here's a question: What would you pick One Piece bootleg or the dub?

Well, as much as i hate to contribute to the growing problem of bootlegs, i'd have to choose bootlegs. I don't want to spend 20 dollars on somethings that's going to drive me crazy, when i can get the same thing for a dollar and the subtitles are decodable (if you think hard enough, they make some sense)

besides. bootlegs have the entertainment factor of engrish and such. bootlegs are fun for engrish hunter like me. But since i'd rather contribute to the anime industry, i would try to get Japanese merchandise to somewhat make up for it. ^^; Overall, i'd rather choose fansubs over all of these, because at least we're getting our entertainment and not giving money to illegal sources. (the best, but more unlikely choice is that 4kids decides to give up the property)

[quote = "Treeloot"]Azumanga Daioh was a lousy show, because all it had going for it was cute. People can tell me it was funny all damn day, but I'm note sure I laughed once.[/quote]
Azumanga Daioh's kinda of an iffy example, because the humor doesn't appeal to everyone. (because it's quite different from most anime humor) I love this series (just look at my avatar) and my friends and I enjoyed laughing at this together. (And i'm 15 versus the demographic).

Confused

ah oh well.

I haven't found time to read through the entire thread yet, but I would like to ask 1 thing: How many of you guys have actually watched Today in Class 5-2?

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