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enurtsol
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They do if they want to fund it for outside Japan, like Sekai is trying to do. Americans already have their own platforms.
Y'mean like a year ago: http://now.msn.com/michelangelos-david-replica-scandalizes-okuizumo-japan
Well of course that's their prerogative. Point is, merely because people outside want them to do it, doesn't mean they'd have to follow suit. They have their own issues, which aren't necessarily outside people's issues. |
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_Cyphon_
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Wow, seriously, defending for porn now? Just how is porn ever going to be art. Sex is the most basic and carnal instinct for humans. It is for the purpose of survival and reproduction, not as exhibition in "art". You can enjoy it by yourself in the shades of your house, but don't ever try to spread it to others. At least Michelangelo didn't paint actual sex scenes. |
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leafy sea dragon
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Pornographic material is already art. The most famous one I can think of (and the only one I can recall by name) is "My Lonesome Cowboy." I'm sure as an anime website, many of the visitors here must be familiar with Takashi Murakami's art. |
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shiranehito
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Porn as art has been around over 12,000 years ago. Maybe Michelangelo didn't, but a lot of artists did. Even tentacle rape was depicted in Hokusai's work. I don't know about the others, but looking at those paintings - let alone a pillow cover - doesn't make me feel aroused. Also, erotic art is not limited only in paintings. Literature, like... the recent 50 Shades of Gray, is also porn, but without visual aid. I often see people reading it in broad daylight, in the train and bus. It's also being sold publicly. What is your problem? |
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nobahn
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The link you provided does not work -- it only goes to www.msn.com |
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_Cyphon_
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It may not make you feel aroused, but there are people out there that will. Besides, the point is not whether or not it makes you feel aroused. You can call and justify porn being art, good for you, but it is still not something generally accepted by society, and there is no point in having society accept something like this. I have never read 50 shades of gray before, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say it doesn't actively describe intercourse. Also, I would like to retract my earlier statement. Apparently, porn is defined as "television shows, articles, photographs, etc., thought to cater to an excessive, irresistible desire for or interest in something" (e.g. Food porn) according to dictionary.com. In this case, it is possible to say porn is art. What is my problem? My problem is that I think you guys aren't taking porn (the sexual kind, not the official term) seriously enough. It is for indulgence, but not for reverence. What I felt when I read your earlier post about porn as art was that you were revering porn or taking it as something higher than it is. This i strongly disagree with. What if in the future people start seeing porn and rape as something completely fine and started publicizing it? I do not wish for that to happen, even if it's just a 2D drawing or animation. |
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Jacquipuff
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No, it totally does actively describe intercourse. In a very badly written manner. This is what it's (in)famous for (well, one reason, anyway). Also, discussions on what is and what isn't "art" never really seem to get to any kind of resolution, so I'll just add that I don't think someone "reveres" porn just because they call it "art". There is middle ground between "not art at all" and "something to be revered". |
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_Cyphon_
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Care to provide an example? I'm too lazy to actually read books now. Well, in my mind art is something on the high end of society. If you acknowledge something as art you acknowledge it as something that is worth value and carry a meaning. I seriously don't see that in porn. On the other hand, I suppose someone can still acknowledge art, but hate it for its existence. |
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leafy sea dragon
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"Art" is one of the loosest concepts in human history. There is so little common ground in art that all I can think of that all art has in common is that they are all created by artists. As for what defines an artist, well, that's incredibly varied as well. Vincent van Gogh's "Starry Night" is just as much art as Marcel Duchamp's "Fountain" or Marina Abramović's "The Artist Is Present" or Cory Arcangel's "Super Mario Clouds."
The purpose of art is also just as varied. The most famous fine art created in the Renaissance was mostly produced because some rich person would request something and pay a lot of money for it. Neither the artist nor the buyer usually found meaning in that artwork; the artist did it to keep food on the table, and the buyer wanted it for the prestige. Edgar Degas painted, for instance, primarily to pay off his father's and brother's debts. On the other hand, Ian Bogost did not make money off of his art projects (until Cow Clicker) and teaches game design to pay the bills. And then there's Norman Rockwell, whose art was just as full of social commentary as anything found in an art museum but were put to commercial use, as covers for the Saturday Evening Post. There's also the concept of sex and eroticism being considered low. That is not necessarily the case either; remember that temples in ancient Greece dedicated to Aphrodite, one of the most respected members of their pantheon, had orgies going on inside of them all day, with people going in for a round of group sex and leaving any time they wanted, and no one thought any less of anyone who went to them. |
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_Cyphon_
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You know what, let's just end this discussion with porn can be considered art. This has gone on for too long. I don't really care now whether or not porn is art. That fact about Ancient Greece temples to Aphrodite actually made me raise my eyebrows. According to Wikipedia, intercourse with the priestess of Aphrodite was considered a method of worshipping Aphrodite. Very intriguing. But you have to consider the difference in Ancient Greek society and modern society. I doubt back then that they had a lot of information regarding STDs/STIs nor did they keep the idea of abstinence till marriage very high. Heck, even the almighty Zeus cheated on his wife Hera all the time and had children with a ton of women. Greeks back then were very religious, while many today are atheists. Considering the social structure of today's society, having an STD can completely ruin your social life, while back then they probably had no idea what even caused it. Times have changed, though some might laugh at me because the teens of this age are anything BUT sexually abstinent and aren't looked down on because they've "done it" with a lot of people. |
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