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MFrontier
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It lives!
On an animation front though, I feel like a sequel is more prudent than a remake, but I'm not sure if they'd be able to capture the magic again. |
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XCalliope
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@ScruffyKiwi
I only haven't seen Nagato anime spin-off, as for Disappearance movie, I think it is a matter of opinion what you've said. @Top Gun I mean, everything has the potential to suck; but if it is given a chance, and a good treatment, it can be something people WILL love. @AsleepBySunset I'm not saying everything has to receive a reboot, for instance, you can't compare Haruhi situation to Bleach. Bleach, even when manga ended, still has a quite a big and active fanbase. Myself, I would rather have a remake, than yet another Dragon Quest isekai with a twist, and I have nothing against those, actually. I don't know, maybe it's just that I don't see any classic anime as some untouchable temple; like, 90s Sailor Moon is one of my favorite series ever, but I am still glad, regardless of quality, that its remake happened. Not because of closer adaptation to source material, but simply for the fact that we got another Sailor Moon anime. |
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TheBeastAR
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I think the biggest casualty of anime remakes can (where appropriate) be the original manga and light novels. I love reading and it's a bit annoying in this debate over which version of a show is better, the original books just sort of get left aside.
On that note, I understand why faithful remakes exist. But in several cases even when they've been done well enough, I often don't see the point. I mean it's cool to see a series get a do over especially when there is the material, but at the same time why not read the manga if it's just going to be a repeat? In my experience with anime remakes being as fair with them as possible, a lot of them lack the charm that previous iterations would have had. But it does depend on which I encountered first and how I got into it. I have never seen or read anything of Fruits Basket but I really enjoyed the 2019 remake and I think it worked because it ran long enough that it didn't feel like it had to breeze through some stuff like Shaman King or even Brotherhood. Equally, I have only ever seen the 2018 Gegege no Kitaro but it is an absolute tour de force of children's anime and feels creative and unique enough that it totally stands on its own. I think with any anime adaptation, fidelity to the source material is important to me, but I also value a distinct sense of identity from said production. I guess it's one reason why I still think the 2003 Fullmetal Alchemist is my favorite anime. Nostalgia is partly a reason, but I think it's more down to how Seiji Mizushima really made that show his own and how much of a unique voice it has. I didn't get that from what I saw of Sailor Moon Crystal, nor Shaman King (not that the original Shaman King was all that great either). Just my two cents. |
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Juno016
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I literally just re-read the novels and re-watched the anime. It frustrated me that we barely got more content in the novels or anime considering how enticing the plot has become since the anime cut off. I happily welcome more novels! I just hope they're more plot-related. Hijinks are fine and I still like them, but when it's up in the air if we'll ever get a conclusion, it feels like any story produced that doesn't make a conclusion closer to reality is a potential risk to that end.
As for an anime remake, I don't think we need one. The argument for it makes some sense commercially, but we're also talking about something that still holds up today and isn't actually dramatically different quality than anything produced today. Also, I can't ever imagine remaking Disappearance. It's my favorite anime film of all time for good reason. It made me more conscious of how subtle choices in directing and sound and lighting and such truly matter. Besides, why waste time recreating something that exists when it'd be far less risky to just continue where it was left off? I only see remakes happening nowadays for shows that branched off heavily from their source material. The new series is usually branded as a more faithful recreation, even when they don't end up being so. Also, if Cardcaptor Sakura can get a sequel to its anime-original adaption, then I argue it shouldn't be necessary for this series either. |
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residentgrigo
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These are youth novels that ran from 2003 to 2011, with a short story revival in 2020. Any form of plot progression is a decade in the past on top of that. A 15-year-old fan (10th grade) who became a fan due to the anime in 2006 will be 31 if that volume dops next year. The LN market also shifted and what it wants. I wonder what this does to the current demographic breakdown and the last anime was in 2015. An unfinished adaptation of an AU spin-off manga that was more or less created to get the protagonist with the Rei clone. If you want to find an IP that got diluted by spin-offs then look no further. Terra Formars is another example but I kinda like it´s main manga version.
S1 was the only part of the IP I liked and I tried rewatching it 2 years ago. I couldn´t get through it. The in itself interesting idea and production values are all the IP has to offer. A 1 cour anime was all this needed if you ask me. 6/10 there. Vol 1, 3 a bit of 5 and half of 6 got adapted in S1. S1 is still the furthest point in the plot due to that and it´s story remains in limbo since 2006. Lol. S2 and the film simply fill the gaps. There are many reasons a potential global hit got buried. This is the first. That said, I would LOVE to know how a S3 would be received if let´s say Satelight (Nagato spin-of) released S3 a decade and a half after the last main entry in 2010. A film on top of that. Haruhi Suzumiya was already cliche-driven in the '00s but not toxicly so. At least at first. It´s tropes now look prehistoric! Last edited by residentgrigo on Sun Sep 24, 2023 8:20 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Gurren Rodan
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Given the apparent "surge" of decade+-belated sequels that have been happening in recent years (eg, Full Metal Panic, FLCL, The Devil is a Part-Timer, Kimi ni Todoke), I don't think it would be unreasonable to see a Haruhi Suzumiya season 3 surface in the near future. I wouldn't expect it, per se, but I don't think it's impossible.
However, I do echo skepticism about trying to remake the franchise altogether. I didn't see the show until after it's prominence had died down in the fandom; but I've consumed enough content since then to recognize how dramatic of an impact it left on the industry. Any "reboot" of Haruhi Suzumiya would automatically be entering a HARD uphill battle to even come close to the original. Even without the original series' shadow looming over, could a remake even hold its own in the modern anime market, where so many of the show's iconic elements have become seemingly commonplace? Perhaps the most striking trait left of the original show is the non-chronological broadcast order, and that foot got shot even before season 2 aired.. I admit, I kind of understand the desire to see Haruhi Suzumiya given a "modern" touch - if only because Kyoto Animation has clearly been improving their craftmanship over the years, to the point that a modern Haruhi under KyoAni's guidance would absolutely trump the original in visual quality. The question, however, is whether or not the writing, editing, and directing chops could match the upgrade - and that's not a slight against KyoAni's current staff, but reaffirmation of how distinct the original already is. a new Haruhi show would be prettier, sure - but would the show as a whole be better, enough to warrant its existence? ...And that's all assuming Kyoto Animation was even offered the job and accepted it. I'm not sure I can imagine Haruhi Suzumiya, sequel OR remake, without KyoAni at the helm. (no comment about Nagato-chan). |
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Lizuka
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I don't really see the point of a remake. You're not really going to do what's already there any better and a significant chunk of the industry still feels like it's trying to recapture the magic of it, it feels like you could easily just dive straight into a season 3 and instantly have people onboard.
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residentgrigo
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The manga ended in 2013 and adapted all existing LNs then, so 11. Vol 10-20 of the manga are basically S3 and 4. At least it´s storyboards if a work-for-hire studio was in charge.
S2 is already too close to a "remake" and readapting sections that Kyoto Animation elevated above it´s source material is only asking to be stoned by the internet. I´ll eat a shoe if a producer is dumb enough to fund that. A career-ending move and demanding 2 cours on top of that before new content is reached! A 1-course S3 to test the waters with a new studio, like Full Metal Panic Invisible Victory (Gonzo and then Kyoto worked on it), might happen but is still a slight risk. FMP S3 flopped, tons of re-adaptations did actually, but FMP´s anime were all minor hits with no legacy. Suzumiya´s legacy is diluted but still exists. At least in Japan. |
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Arale Kurashiki
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I know these opinions aren't literally contradictory, but they strike me as such. I'm definitely not opposed to new versions of a story existing; that's great, as long as they do something different. But this idea you keep repeating, that today's anime is "more evolved", or that anime from Haruhi's era wasn't as mature and is now "aged", is absolutely the kind of attitude that suggests that old things being replaced by new things is an objective improvement, rather than a different take. If someone with a creative vision wanted to reimagine Haruhi today, that could be really cool, but that isn't what you've been suggesting this whole time; you've just been saying they should adapt it with "modern" animation/direction/etc. which could be anything because again, people make anime. And the main reason anime is different now is due to economic reasons, not because anime scientists discovered new animation techniques in the lab. |
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fuuma_monou
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So the new book will have three isekai short stories. Haruhi gets to cross "sliders" off her list?
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XCalliope
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But that is simply the fact, anime DID evolve since mid 2000s; yeah, people make anime, but in the meantime those same people had years to improve and refine their animating tehniques, drawing, writing, and direction. There is a reason why memes like Draw This Again exist. People DO get better at what they do with work and practice. |
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Villain-chan
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Haruhi is absolutely one that doesn't need a remake. Continuation with a S3 sure, but NOT a remake
Also, Bleach has a fan base but u make it sound like Haruhi doesn't when it still does. |
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XCalliope
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@Villain-chan
I swear, my biggest problem isn't even the whole sequel vs remake / reboot thing... I do prefer the latter, but my life won't end even if it is a continuation. Rather, it is simply you people on forums using words such as "needed", or "unnecessary", or "still hold up", etc... Like we are talking about oxygen, water, love, food; no anime is ever THAT important, no matter how much of a masterpiece, or classic, or iconic it is. |
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Villain-chan
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XCalliope
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I hate those words, at least in context when we are talking about remakes, because they are "standing in the way" of what could possibly be a great new adaptation / its own take, even if it doesn't follow the source material so close. I hate those words because I am the type of person who doesn't think that Cowboy Bebop live action remake, or Disney classics live action woke remakes are such catastrophes on the level of Earth being bombarded by the rain of gigantic meteors. From my point of view, even if something ends up, well, sucking, rather than a mistake, I see it as something other / future anime can learn from, trial and error sort of thing. And honestly, in most cases, after some time has passed, I would find people who actually ended up liking those "unnecessary" remakes. |
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