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NEWS: ADV Films, Geneon USA's Distribution Deal Cancelled

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Hopefully if no one does pick up their actual library of titles the companies with titles in mid production with Geneon will get them picked up elsewhere and finished and not just shelve them. Even with a mid run cast change it's still better then having a series in mid production not get finished at all. At least the Japanese track would remain the same with a mid run dub switch.

Are you serious?????????

would they really just change the cast in the middle of the run and not just let the studio finish it?

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Hopefully if no one does pick up their actual library of titles the companies with titles in mid production with Geneon will get them picked up elsewhere and finished and not just shelve them. Even with a mid run cast change it's still better then having a series in mid production not get finished at all. At least the Japanese track would remain the same with a mid run dub switch.

Are you serious?????????

would they really just change the cast in the middle of the run and not just let the studio finish it?

They may be completely different from Geneons. So what would be in it for them to go elsewhere?

psycho 101 wrote:

They may be completely different from Geneons. So what would be in it for them to go elsewhere?

Well, In cases like this, what would be in it for them would be a better realease with better continuity since they could keep the same actors.

My concern is rather that I don't think that even if they were willing to use a different than usual studio it would be as simple as that to just get them to continue. I would assume that at the very least, since the licence is technically ending and then they're buying a new licence it would void any contract or agreement that Geneon had with the studios and actors.

Hopefully if no one does pick up their actual library of titles the companies with titles in mid production with Geneon will get them picked up elsewhere and finished and not just shelve them. Even with a mid run cast change it's still better then having a series in mid production not get finished at all. At least the Japanese track would remain the same with a mid run dub switch.

I believe that on or shortly after Monday (October 1) that some of these questions in regards to on-going series and dubs will be answered. *hopes*

Geneon Entertainment Exits (10:46 AM EDT): Though the finality of things is still up in the air, Geneon Entertainment has sent out information to retailers regarding their 4th quarter plans. According to the information, Geneon will be shipping all releases they have in the queue as announced through 11/05/2007. All orders placed after this coming Friday is non-returnable. As of 12/31/2007, they will be shutting down, apparently completely as AnimeNation is listing everything past 11/11/2007 as canceled. Plans for beyond 12/31/2007 are still up in the air but what little is being said indicates that they're intending to focus on their own properties in a similar way to Kadokawa Pictures USA is doing things.

VEGANDARAE wrote:

Quote: Hopefully if no one does pick up their actual library of titles the companies with titles in mid production with Geneon will get them picked up elsewhere and finished and not just shelve them. Even with a mid run cast change it's still better then having a series in mid production not get finished at all. At least the Japanese track would remain the same with a mid run dub switch. Are you serious????????? would they really just change the cast in the middle of the run and not just let the studio finish it?

As mentioned they may not have a choice. Let's say for a second Geneon goes away end of story. The titles are now up for grabs probably. Say company "C" picks them up. That company probably has some places they go to for their dubbing. They may be completely different from Geneons. So what would be in it for them to go elsewhere? That's one thing many had with ADV taking over their catalog. ADV is one of the few, if not only, American companies that has in house dubbing. In other words they don't need to outsource a series to some other place for a dubbing. they can do it themselves. So if other companies do wind up getting some of Geneon's titles it'll be up to them to determine where they go to dub the series, or finish the current dub. So it is possible with a series that just started, like Karin, to get picked up by say Media Blasters and get a new cast mid way through. Or a series to start a new season, like Black Lagoon Second Barrage maybe, with a new cast. The second example happened once between Geneon and ADV before with Saiyuki. Or like how ADV now has OMG and not Media Blasters but in this example ADV was smart for once and kept the same voice cast instead of doing it in-house and switching casts on a show with 3 different voice casts over the years already.

This is a news article that has turned into a carnival that's what. It was a news article because that's what ANN does......post news relative to anime. Not yet another pointless fansub debate.

As for Geneon, that's not your business now is it. Get that through your head. You aren't part of them. You aren't a share holder. You simply buy their product and that doesn't give you the right to know about their personal dealings.

That's like going to a con and buying an art print from someone and demanding to know about their personal bank records. Do zac and others know more then us? Sure, it's their job. They however are not going to commit career suicide and divulge personal insider information to you or us.

And if you're demanding they do you're ignorant and rude because you're demanding they jeopardize their jobs to simply placate your needs. IF AND WHEN Geneon decides to say something public you'll know when the rest of us know.

And what you think about the market does not mean that's the truth or case here. that's what Y O U think. You can certainly think whatever you want but don't throw it on the rest of us and claim it's the truth when you don't know in this case. You're acting like a Doomsayer with this issue when there's no need for it. The anime industry and the world are not ending tomorrow. Take some Valium and and mellow out.

And you just graduated into 6th grade. I mean seriously with is this? You expect to be taken seriously when you want to post idle middle school retorts like this? Forget the Valium take some damn Morphine and get back to us in a few days when it wears off.

starcade wrote:

Of course, you can't ask Zac -- he's basically saying we shouldn't even ask things like that...

Get off it will ya. You're simply twisting his words to fit your opinions. Plus you haven't asked much of anything. You've simply overloaded the thread with your fansub is evil the anime industry is doomed crap. The forums are for debate, you're not debating. You're on your soap box telling us all that the end of anime is coming. Even in the smallest tiniest .0001% it is guess what? There world will go on.

Sorry, I sadly disagree with what you're saying here.

If it's not fansubbing, then I would agree with the moderator -- if it is, then can no one see the writing on the wall here???

That's why I asked Zac twice (and, of course, TPTB shut his mouth on that one) whether he felt this was simply Geneon's incompetence and the like for all this. I would ask you the same question, but you have no intention of giving us your opinion or belief on the matter, since...

How strongly can I put this?

You're full of it. And it stinks.

This is ALL OF OUR business, because (especially if it is due, for whatever stripe you want to toss on it, to massive over-speculation on the sales market of American anime) this ain't gonna be the last company to do this -- especially if what we're hearing from people in the news and in these threads is accurate.

I mean, you read the post about some series not even covering their DUBBING costs, much less licensing nor anything else?

Now, I assert that the industry has been walking around with rose-colored glasses for some time, but let's not go too crazy and borrow them, shall we?

What's going on is all anime fans' business because it's going to impact all of us. Period. If you can't get that through YOUR head (and you most certainly aren't alone!!), then I can't help you.

Then they honestly should think about what threads they really want to continue or cut off -- as I told Zac earlier.

This could be the biggest anime story in years (it essentially amounts to a shutdown of the 3rd biggest, by market share, anime company serving the US market). What I'm saying is that it very easily could be downloading/fansubs, and that that argument may be part of this discussion, resulting sanity of forum be damned.

Considering they probably aren't even in position to stay afloat, I don't see that happening. But if the mods are just going to cut off "another fansub debate" without realizing that the entire thing could be about fansubs, then they might as well chop the thread and be done with it.

Imagine what would happen to that debate if it's actually revealed that the worst fears are true and the industry overestimated sales, and BADLY!!! Civil war among anime fans might be putting it lightly.

I'm really the last person people want to tell to mellow out, but if I say any more about that, I'm gone for good.

(Because I've already done the same for Zac...)

Yes, I'm acting like a Doomsayer, because that's where the business is going -- straight into the toilet. There's a lot of industry hate out there, and we have no idea how much (if really, much of anything) is getting sold out there, and that does nothing for consumer confidence.

A year ago, I wasn't even really sure ADV might survive -- now, them laying back may have been the right move, but will there be enough left when The Crackdown occurs for them to continue as they are? I think not!

Thorazine might be better, but that might take weeks to wear off.

Seriously, I do not take kindly when mods decide they want to toss their heads into the air and say that we shouldn't say anything because they have position on us and "Nyah nyah nyah-nyah nyahhhhhhhhh..."

You are truly delusional. Here it is in big bold letters:

The third biggest anime company, in American market share, just threw in the towel.

What I was asking above is why... If they can't tell us, there's no need to continue this thread or really any of the other related ones, except for the hope that their title will be able to be finished and released before The End of Geneon...

(Of course, you might not get told _that_ either, because 'nyah nyah nyah-nyah nyahhhhhhhhhh...')