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Megiddo wrote:

Oh yes. I'm sure you would love it if an ANN writer declared that 5 Centimeters Per Second is a masturbatory-aid, wouldn't you? Or how about AnoHana? Just lolicon wank material.

For starters, poor analogy.

First of all, the issue isn't whether one likes or even agrees with an opinion. It's about not pestering the writer page after page because they interpreted a particular narrative aspect or characterization in a way different than your own, and then telling them you'll stop bombarding them with follow-up comments when they change or omit their opinion in their publication. This is regardless of if it's factually true or not (in which, in Erin's case, it is; I remember a particular scene in which Budoko was engaged in a steamy kiss with another Akikan).

As for her remarks in regards to Gunslinger Girls, this is all based on interpretation. She viewed it as an objectification of women, which is reasonably arguable, especially given the fact that these spoiler["machines"] are *all* young, pubescent females. Add that to their inferior positions below their "handlers".

It would be utterly ridiculous to claim that 5 cm/sec was "masturbatory-aid". It was a realistic romance with a world-crushing ending, and not a panty shot, loli character or need for a lecherous nosebleed in its entire sixty-two minute run. Anohana had one, single character who you could argue was conceptualized with utilizing loli elements in mind. But, personally, I'd say that was ludicrous given the fact that she was supposed to have child-like tendencies, spoiler[she died as an elementary school-aged little girl].

Concerning how I would respond to what I deem as an unwarranted opinion or critique of something I hold near and dear like, oh, say, 5 Centimeters Per Second, since you felt the need to bring it up; here, just for you.

See how I stated my opinion and wrapped it up by accepting that I don't share a brain with everyone else, like me and the world is conjoined at the head?


Consider this a life-lesson, nescient bairn.

Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote:

Hey now i take some offense.. joking lol but I will openly say this for those who like elfen lied...IT"S SHIT so come at me people. Fans need to grow the hell up or we will be forever stuck in this phase of any critique on our medium will just be b.s.

Offering a harsh, but valid, or pensive, criticism of a work is fine, and should be encouraged. But, merely calling it "shit" and not specifying why you identify it as such (an opinion of which you are in a non-visible minority in holding, by the way), and then welcoming any offense is pretty much trolling.

I do agree fans need to grow the hell up, though.

Well I tried watching elfen lied after the airing being convinced by huge amount of fans that it was so dark/deep. I really tried to get into the story and felt sorry for Lucy but the fact was it just like it was trying to hard with the gore instead of focusing on the curelality of how she was being treated with out splattering the wall red..

I know the same could be said about higurashi or umineko but it's about the execution of the material i didn't like how hit was handled in the anime, now I will say this the manga was handled better. This sums up my feelings on it I just didn't feel like type out tl;dr but this is me.

It would be utterly ridiculous to claim that 5 cm/sec was "masturbatory-aid". It was a realistic romance with a world-crushing ending, and not a panty shot, loli character or need for a lecherous nosebleed in its entire sixty-two minute run. Anohana had one, single character who you could argue was conceptualized with utilizing loli elements in mind. But, personally, I'd say that was ludicrous given the fact that she was supposed to have child-like tendencies, spoiler[she died as an elementary school-aged little girl].

Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote:

Well I tried watching elfen lied after the airing being convinced by huge amount of fans that it was so dark/deep. I really tried to get into the story and felt sorry for Lucy but the fact was it just like it was trying to hard with the gore instead of focusing on the curelality of how she was being treated with out splattering the wall red..

Beyond the first seven minutes of the very first episode of Elfen Lied (which was, undoubtedly, the most gruesome part of the entire series), the gore wasn't a central facet of the main plot or story.

I'll admit that there were many instances of telekinesis-induced decapitations and detachments of limbs, and of course, the infamous scene which had a particularly intense effect on me, and was very difficult to watch;spoiler[an innocent animal (dog) being killed, one that Lucy cared deeply for, while she was forced to watch]. Honestly, the events that followed couldn't have happened sooner, for me.

But, the story is mainly about Lucy/Nyu and her battle with her involuntary reversions to a state of mind of which she is unconscious of, and her inner turmoil over her ambivalent emotions of bitterness, extreme anger, a savage desire to kill, love and hate. Also, the organization which is behind her (Diclonius') existence, the day-to-day occurrences involving her two sides and the emotional/romantic implications of her, Yuka, and Kota all living under the same roof.

Elfen Lied was different than the typical 80s and 90s ultra-violent fare, because it was more than "violence for the sake of violence", so to speak. There was actually a very well-written plot/story.

With an awesomely haunting original soundtrack, I might add

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I know the same could be said about higurashi or umineko but it's about the execution of the material i didn't like how hit was handled in the anime, now I will say this the manga was handled better. This sums up my feelings on it I just didn't feel like type out tl;dr but this is me.

Meh, Higurashi was more psychological tension building than overly done graphic violence. (Don't get wrong, though; it was there.) Umineko sort of defines "violence for the sake of violence". It's the standard "whodunit?" genre of Western mystery. It involves person after person being mysteriously knocked-off. There's nothing even remotely original or innovative about that narrative technique.

Oh, well. As they say, "one man's trash...".

It doesn't feel good to have something that you enjoyed to be called wank material, does it? You're correct of course. Neither of those anime are masturbatory-aids, and neither is the Gunslinger Girl OVA.

What you just did is the same reaction that I did. You thought it was "utterly ridiculous" and so did I. You immediately went on the defensive of how there are no panty shots or anything that could possibly begin to have someone believe it was meant for the only purpose of sexual gratification, and I did the same. The only difference is that of course Erin is a professional writer for ANN whereas I'm just a random forum-goer. And of course, I didn't mean what I said.

So thank you for providing the proper reaction.

"Your honor. She is 10-years old, but since she is a time traveler from the future you could technically say she's 427"

"Your honor, she told me she was a can of grape soda."

In any case I suppose all the girls in Akikan must be pretty young, I mean, soda doesn't have that long a shelf life. (Rimshot!) Perhaps they're only 2 or 3 years old, tops.

I'm amazed you did not blow Akikan to pieces with scathing critisism. I personally think it has the most utterly stupid plot premise in the history of anime and that can't really bode well for it, but it's also a generic harem. And it has that stupid premise.

Seriously, what kind of drugs lead to that premise?!

Of course, this Anime News Nina MUST be referanced

I hear there's a Manga where cockroaches are anthropomorphised as Moe girls. Is there no level that Japan won't stoop to?

Shenl742 wrote:

Of course, this Anime News Nina MUST be referanced

Thank you for bringing up that strip, it was a blast reading it again.

I hear there's a Manga where cockroaches are anthropomorphised as Moe girls. Is there no level that Japan won't stoop to?