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INTEREST: CEO of Niantic Calls Immersive VR, 'Problem for Society,' Advocates for More AR Developmen




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Cutiebunny



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:27 pm Reply with quote
Has it only been two months since Gen 2? Was sorta hoping that Gen 3 would be on its way soon...
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Well of course he would say that. AR is what made his company go big, and VR is a tough competitor to beat. AR has its own problems, though, and future AR technology could have the immersion factor as VR someday. (admittedly taking that idea from SAO)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:47 pm Reply with quote
catbot158 wrote:
VR is a tough competitor to beat.


Is it? What is the best selling VR game? Seems to me like AR has at least one massive success where as VR has none.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:09 pm Reply with quote
Well, of course he'd be in opposition to VR. AR is already causing enough problems with people not looking where they're going.

Cutiebunny wrote:
Has it only been two months since Gen 2? Was sorta hoping that Gen 3 would be on its way soon...


Looks like Niantic has all their ducks in a row now. I'm predicting subsequent generations will be appearing more frequently. I strongly suspect Niantic was busy getting their infrastructure up and available in a wide geographical area first.

catbot158 wrote:
Well of course he would say that. AR is what made his company go big, and VR is a tough competitor to beat. AR has its own problems, though, and future AR technology could have the immersion factor as VR someday. (admittedly taking that idea from SAO)


Niantic doesn't have to compete. They have the resources to make VR games. Because they could join the VR industry if they wanted to, I'm certain Hanke is stating his honest opinion here.
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But like, people have been playing video games in their mother's basement for many decades. Why does he wait until now to point out that you need to get out of your room and exercise?
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Translation: I must stop Sword Art Online from becoming a reality.

spoiler[jk]
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:13 pm Reply with quote
leafy sea dragon wrote:

I strongly suspect Niantic was busy getting their infrastructure up and available in a wide geographical area first.


Not really. The vast majority of this was done with Ingress, years ago.
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idk why but this just sounds like a desperate shouting storm, VR games are still relatively new in the market and lets face it Niantic hasn't been really pleasing the fans lately with pokemon go. with slow updates lack of keeping their promises like adding breeding, trading, PVP competitive play, and fixing tracking and stability issues it's no surprise players have been dropping off left and right. Frankly I think they're just back in the same rut they were in with Ingress but so far we haven't seen any charges or police reports for trespassing, loitering, or fights breaking out because of pokemon go yet, but we have seen issues of cities closing off certain parks with large numbers of pokestops due to players leaving garbage all over the place and there's also been a decline (well in my area at least) of active players due to the slow updates and lack of well trading, breeding and PVP modes, so calling VR gaming a "problem for society" before it's really taken off is in my opinion just a desperate attention grab
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Lol... this was the topic in SAO Ordinal Scale xD
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AJ (LordNikon)



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青白 wrote:
But like, people have been playing video games in their mother's basement for many decades. Why does he wait until now to point out that you need to get out of your room and exercise?


And, we've been complaining bout tat too since the Atari 2600, and Commodore VIC=20. Actually, we've been complaining about it since the first home TV sets were introduced, so I'd say that argument goes back to the 50's. I'm sure my parents got an earful about spending too much time in front of the radio during the 30's.

Frankly, I see VR as less dangerous than AR. It's bad enough now people getting run over by cars, or wrecking cars caused their eyes are glued to the mobile phones; AR is only going to make it worse. I had some small hope of that perhaps AR would be a dead-end tech when all the Google Glass backlash started. I seriously had expected an entire society of glassholes by now watching YouTube on their smart glasses while driving by now.
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Mexican Batman



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:26 am Reply with quote
KH91 wrote:
Translation: I must stop Sword Art Online from becoming a reality.

spoiler[jk]

I knew it. I sensed some VR/AR bad blood emanating from him the way it flowed out of spoiler[Shigemura].
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:29 am Reply with quote
Kougeru wrote:
leafy sea dragon wrote:

I strongly suspect Niantic was busy getting their infrastructure up and available in a wide geographical area first.


Not really. The vast majority of this was done with Ingress, years ago.


I know they borrowed much of what they did for Ingress for Pokémon GO, but what I mean is that I kept seeing a lot of updates saying that Pokémon GO is available in this part of the world and that part of the world before Generation II was added.

I do still think they're working on adding Generation III and that it'll be out pretty soon. Niantic is ready for that now.

MagusGuardian wrote:
idk why but this just sounds like a desperate shouting storm, VR games are still relatively new in the market and lets face it Niantic hasn't been really pleasing the fans lately with pokemon go. with slow updates lack of keeping their promises like adding breeding, trading, PVP competitive play, and fixing tracking and stability issues it's no surprise players have been dropping off left and right. Frankly I think they're just back in the same rut they were in with Ingress but so far we haven't seen any charges or police reports for trespassing, loitering, or fights breaking out because of pokemon go yet, but we have seen issues of cities closing off certain parks with large numbers of pokestops due to players leaving garbage all over the place and there's also been a decline (well in my area at least) of active players due to the slow updates and lack of well trading, breeding and PVP modes, so calling VR gaming a "problem for society" before it's really taken off is in my opinion just a desperate attention grab


It seems it became something of a fad, rather than an extended phenomenon, with the people who played the game a lot last year in July and August having moved on to other things. I think this would've happened regardless of how much more content the game would've had.

Nevertheless, no fad truly dies out, as there will be people who will remain into it. I mean, Pokémon GO is frequently attributed to why Pokémon Sun and Moon, released five months later, was a massive hit compared to the previous couple of generations of Pokémon.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:20 pm Reply with quote
SilverTalon01 wrote:
catbot158 wrote:
VR is a tough competitor to beat.


Is it? What is the best selling VR game? Seems to me like AR has at least one massive success where as VR has none.


I think I know the massive AR hit you're referring to... Anime smile

But yeah, is there an actual VR GAME yet? All I've seen so far (apart from you-know-what) are "Immersive experiences", usually travel, bad CGI, or an upcoming movie tie-in from a studio that didn't quite know what the VR market was, but thought they had to Outreach to it, by having a movie promo you could put on your goggles and look around in.
(And which, yes, leads to all the Fear of the Unknown shouting from the folks who don't know what it is either, but like the studios, are convinced it's immediately going to take over because it's New.)
The biggest application VR has going for it right now is theme-park "VR rollercoasters", which sounds cool if you describe it, and then seems utterly ridiculous if you think about it for another two or three minutes, enough to have "Doomed fad" written all over it.

Like I said before, if you don't have a Killer App, the public doesn't have a reason.
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