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Japanese variety shows. Not even once.

Won't it be more correct to say it was Twitter Users that criticize, rather than Twitter themselves? Considering all the censorship going around lately on social media (Senran Kagura stream getting removed during a live streaming which was documented here by ANN as an example), I wouldn't be surprised if Twitter themselves had taken actions though. I'm kinda scared for us anime fan's future tbh. where our sort of "Japanese humor" quickly can get flagged, shadow banned and become victims of coordinated terminations (as we've seen started to happen with some comedians over the last week) as cultural clashes of what is deemed ok or not are bound to happen. Hope the bigger social media becomes a public utility at some point to counter-act such stuff.

S0crates wrote:

W where our sort of "Japanese humor" quickly can get flagged, shadow banned and become victims of coordinated terminations (as we've seen started to happen with some comedians over the last week) as cultural clashes of what is deemed ok or not are bound to happen. Hope the bigger social media becomes a public utility at some point to counter-act such stuff.

You realize it's JAPANESE people that are making these complaints, right? This has nothing to do with cultural clashes. That's also not a valid excuse for people to be jerks

S0crates wrote:

Won't it be more correct to say it was Twitter Users that criticize, rather than Twitter themselves? Considering all the censorship going around lately on social media (Senran Kagura stream getting removed during a live streaming which was documented here by ANN as an example), I wouldn't be surprised if Twitter themselves had taken actions though. I'm kinda scared for us anime fan's future tbh. where our sort of "Japanese humor" quickly can get flagged, shadow banned and become victims of coordinated terminations (as we've seen started to happen with some comedians over the last week) as cultural clashes of what is deemed ok or not are bound to happen. Hope the bigger social media becomes a public utility at some point to counter-act such stuff.

You're an anime fan, right? Think about you getting a job at an anime shop, or, I dunno, you're just attending an anime event. Then come some not-so-nice-people from some random comedy show mocking you because you like anime and making fun of your hobbies, all to be shared on tv.

It's not about censorship. They can do their stupid jokes as much as they want, as long as they don't bother people while doing it. In fact, if a not comedian goes to any store in the world and acts rude like this, they'll probably be banned, with reason.

While you may have the right to act like complete and utter POS, other people have the right to call you out on it. These people sound like jerks and the media response seems wholly justified.

S0crates wrote:

Won't it be more correct to say it was Twitter Users that criticize, rather than Twitter themselves? Considering all the censorship going around lately on social media (Senran Kagura stream getting removed during a live streaming which was documented here by ANN as an example), I wouldn't be surprised if Twitter themselves had taken actions though. I'm kinda scared for us anime fan's future tbh. where our sort of "Japanese humor" quickly can get flagged, shadow banned and become victims of coordinated terminations (as we've seen started to happen with some comedians over the last week) as cultural clashes of what is deemed ok or not are bound to happen. Hope the bigger social media becomes a public utility at some point to counter-act such stuff.

...what are you even talking about? Did you read the article?

This is about Japanese Twitter users criticizing a Japanese show that mocked someone working at a cafe promoting Sailor Moon. It has 0 to do with censorship, nor is the criticism against anime fans in any way, given that the show being criticized was mocking anime fans!

I don’t understand the concern over the Senran Kagura stream to begin with given that it was a live action segment (where they played pinball on a woman’s body...), not a stream of game footage or an anime clip. That has 0 to do with “Japanese humor”.

...and I mean, yeah, I’d rather social media sites be handled more responsibly/not by companies seeking profits over fostering a good environment for users, but I’m not sure how a line of thought starting from this topic reaches that point, hah.

While comedians making fun of people for liking Sailor Moon is boorish behavior from what I have read Japanese variety shows often do this type of comedy. Of course people choose to appear on a variety show while people do not expect a variety show to appear at a Sailor Moon cafe. What is strange about this incident is because of strict privacy laws in Japan I don't see how they were able to record their segment at the cafe unless they got permission for it.

This is reminding me of what Logan Paul did while in Japan.
Especially how he behaved when he visited the Monster Cafe.

I personally never liked people making fun or humiliating working people like that. So to me, the criticism is justified. Especially since they were workers in a cosplay / anime cafe.

Now if it was turned around and the comedians were put on the spot (by the TV staff) with Sailor Moon trivia or singing the songs, then it would've been okay.

Rudeness has no excuse, and I'm glad some people voiced out their opinions.

A good amount of people always try to use humor as an excuse for crude, vulgar behavior, which can cross the line into cruelty and plain rudeness very easily. What's even sadder is that a lot of people think it's perfectly okay and later call those who feel offended "thin-skinned", "overly sensitive" and other epithets. It's honestly come to the point where decency, rather than being the norm, has become a very rare thing to find, ESPECIALLY on the Internet, where anonymity is a shield for people's base behavior.

It reminded me of a case in a Latin American country of a comedienne who wrote an article making fun of overweight women, and the backlash it received was enormous, to the point where the comedienne was forced to publicly apologize. And I believe some other people (David Letterman comes to mind) have had to say they're sorry as well. So while some people have criticized this, the sad fact remains that a majority find that funny and accept it, without considering how other people feel.

$0.02.

"Damn SWWWJS and their twitter campaigns against-"

*looks at scribbled notes on palm*

"Incredibly rude and disrespectful people"

xBTAx wrote:

S0crates wrote:

Won't it be more correct to say it was Twitter Users that criticize, rather than Twitter themselves? Considering all the censorship going around lately on social media (Senran Kagura stream getting removed during a live streaming which was documented here by ANN as an example), I wouldn't be surprised if Twitter themselves had taken actions though. I'm kinda scared for us anime fan's future tbh. where our sort of "Japanese humor" quickly can get flagged, shadow banned and become victims of coordinated terminations (as we've seen started to happen with some comedians over the last week) as cultural clashes of what is deemed ok or not are bound to happen. Hope the bigger social media becomes a public utility at some point to counter-act such stuff.

This is about Japanese Twitter users criticizing a Japanese show that mocked someone working at a cafe promoting Sailor Moon...

Exactly, the headline made it sound like it was Twitter themselves doing it, which it was not in this case. It was indeed the users, not the company. I'm just saying that this is a twin edged sword, and that we as anime fans have to be able to tolerate such unpleasantness (not saying people can't criticize it, but that Twitter shouldn't get involved/censor it).

xBTAx wrote:

I don’t understand the concern over the Senran Kagura stream to begin with given that it was a live action segment (where they played pinball on a woman’s body...), not a stream of game footage or an anime clip. That has 0 to do with “Japanese humor”.

...and I mean, yeah, I’d rather social media sites be handled more responsibly/not by companies seeking profits over fostering a good environment for users, but I’m not sure how a line of thought starting from this topic reaches that point, hah.

Kougeru wrote:

You realize it's JAPANESE people that are making these complaints, right? This has nothing to do with cultural clashes. That's also not a valid excuse for people to be jerks

That Senran Kagura live stream illustrate exactly this example. "Someone" out there was insulted by them playing pinball on a poster of Yumi with someone's bosoms out the chest area, with no nudity involved. There's always someone out of a thousand that find anything insulting, and in comedy you probably don't need more than 10 people to get the same result for every single joke. I found that scene pretty humorous, and maybe you didn't but that is beside the point. They took it down without warning, and if everyone's humor is up for scrutiny then we're pretty high on the chopping block (even if we ourselves feel that's completely unjustified). There's even youtubers gotten their content taken down over "none-sexual" panty shots, which we find in pretty much every single visual novel / anime there is. I believe that we all got to stay more tolerant and less enraged at everything, that is all (even when we are the victim, like in this case) :p.

Also, that Moon Healing Parfait looks delicious!

xBTAx wrote:

S0crates wrote:

Won't it be more correct to say it was Twitter Users that criticize, rather than Twitter themselves? Considering all the censorship going around lately on social media (Senran Kagura stream getting removed during a live streaming which was documented here by ANN as an example), I wouldn't be surprised if Twitter themselves had taken actions though. I'm kinda scared for us anime fan's future tbh. where our sort of "Japanese humor" quickly can get flagged, shadow banned and become victims of coordinated terminations (as we've seen started to happen with some comedians over the last week) as cultural clashes of what is deemed ok or not are bound to happen. Hope the bigger social media becomes a public utility at some point to counter-act such stuff.

...what are you even talking about? Did you read the article?

This is about Japanese Twitter users criticizing a Japanese show that mocked someone working at a cafe promoting Sailor Moon. It has 0 to do with censorship, nor is the criticism against anime fans in any way, given that the show being criticized was mocking anime fans!

I don’t understand the concern over the Senran Kagura stream to begin with given that it was a live action segment (where they played pinball on a woman’s body...), not a stream of game footage or an anime clip. That has 0 to do with “Japanese humor”.

...and I mean, yeah, I’d rather social media sites be handled more responsibly/not by companies seeking profits over fostering a good environment for users, but I’m not sure how a line of thought starting from this topic reaches that point, hah.

In journalism that's called a GFE (Gross Factual Error) By saying Twitter specifically that's implying that the company themselves are the ones who are taking issue with his behavior. Though these days most people refer to GFE's in headlines as "clickbait."

xBTAx wrote:

...what are you even talking about? Did you read the article?

This is about Japanese Twitter users criticizing a Japanese show that mocked someone working at a cafe promoting Sailor Moon. It has 0 to do with censorship, nor is the criticism against anime fans in any way, given that the show being criticized was mocking anime fans!

Basically, Japan, looking for a reason to bully and ridicule anime out of their culture until employment goes back up, is nowadays singling out Magical-Girl fans as "those" otaku most deserving of comic shame and public ridicule.
To which Sailor Moon is the most culturally best known, since that one goes back twenty years to when mainstream Japanese still watched anime during the day, and would probably get a more recognized cultural laugh than making fun of Madoka Magica.

But even this isn't half of what US fans, who saw some reason to watch the show, had to put up with back in the day from mainstream US guffawers, who wanted to dogpile on both the "silly" afternoon show and the inherent cultural-grudge of a funny-looking Japanese import.
Our variety-host dips apparently thought the joke would go over a lot better with the "frustrated" mass audience than it did, much like Cartoon Network once thought it would dive into the loving arms of fans with all those Hanna-Barbera jokes.

wow these Twittertards need to get a life lol IS JUST A PRANK BRUH!!!!

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