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PetrifiedJello
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Okay, do both. As for me, I've no such luxury. Sen. Bayh, representing my home state of Indiana, actually co-sponsored this ridiculous bill (Eli Lily is home based here as well, which is why he co-sponsored it). I'm hoping my letter to Sen. Wyden makes its way to the desk of this idiot, as I closed off with "Ashamed on behalf of Senator Evan Bayh, co-sponsor of the COICA bill". |
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luisedgarf
Posts: 658 Location: Guadalajara, Mexico |
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Somewhere right now in the U.S. Goverment is cursing the day when they let the Internet became public... |
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mangamuscle
Posts: 2658 Location: Mexico |
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People seem to forget that piracy is not a new thing. I still remember how the music industry heralded the death of music because of the tape recorder, the same thing the movie industry said when the video tape recorder (anyone here remember betamax?) appeared in the home market. Back in the day millions of copies of the star wars game for the commodore 64 were made, yet I do not see george lucas linning up for welfare. Truth is the problem has never been the illegal copies, since the people that buy the most of their products is the same people that pirates them (I am not making this up, it has been throughly researched). The truth is that low sales are the result of the poor economy, not of lower interest. The truth is they are not making an effort to market their product (I have yet to see popular manga come to the kindle or apple store) so they blame piracy to cover for their ineptitude. Politicians seize the opportunity to remove one more right from their constituents, hoping that someday they can just push a button to silence any dissent someone has to voice about their crappy goverment.
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Shenl742
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You're saying that just because the impact is small that it's not an issue? How would you like it if I walked into your house and stole one of your DVDs? Or books? Or games? Or a shirt? I mean, you probably have several of them, what's the differance if you lose just one or two? And if you call the cops after me, what am I going to do? Say that you're infringing on my rights to take your stuff because I have access to them, via a lockpick or a crowbar? |
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Daemonblue
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Except you're not depriving a person of their copy when you download something, you're creating a whole new copy. People tend to forget this little fact all the time and make the same silly arguement. Copying != theft, as the latter requires you to deprive someone of a physical product. Anyway, people have already started working on a countermeasure for COICA and the resent doman name seizures. |
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egoist
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My god. Are you really comparing physical copies which require paid distributors and real material, to a digital copy where someone simply recorded what was on TV, distributed through a free website, and gave the not very competitive industry a 100% sale opportunity loss.
Of course, if you invade my house to steal a single DVD, without breaking my door, or seeing me naked, then it's all fine with me. Okay, you can see me naked and it's still fine. It will take a while to reach the anime industry. What's the significance of the anime market to the US government? Does Funimation bribe any politician over there? If the answer is "no", then I have nothing else to say. This is an uphill battle for anti-piracy. The best idea I've come across so far was the one in the UK (I believe from BT's CEO) to send a penalty charge for people pirating. It's simple, and if enforced like the current speeding/red light system (half if paid within a certain amount of days, full price if delayed... delayed means that you'd go to court). Of course, I'd be very risky to charge a lot since too many people would go to court and pretty much flood it, so they could make it very small penalties at discounted price, but very high (as in x10) if delayed. But unlike the current speeding penalty system, the money should go somewhere relevant instead of the national coffers. And the best of all, you won't be mass-producing criminals. But of course, the best choice is to do it forcefully. See Iraq. Anyway, at times like these I'm glad most politicians are plain stupid. Last edited by egoist on Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:31 am; edited 1 time in total |
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animefan1238
Posts: 299 Location: Ma |
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I love getting cash for my birthday, but I spent some of it in D.C./Virginia when I went on a trip during my birthday with my girlfriend to see family. Also it donesn't help my car was overheating and finally craped out. I didn't mean to sound like I was putting out excuses but things happen in life. I do spend some cash at anime cons and now I'll finally get some cash rolling in I plan on doing a small spree. I understand where you are comming from. Also to relate to the above comment. Ninty percent of the anime I have is dubbed. I want companies to survive so I can see what is new out there. Having subed only DVDs would start a whole new debate. |
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mangamuscle
Posts: 2658 Location: Mexico |
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Suppose you are very ill, in your bed about to die. You also have a headache, but that is merely a symptom. What would you like, a medicine that saves your life or an aspirin to calm your headache? I mean, the people supporting this law think they will save the music/movie/manga industry, yet when they realize that is not the case they still ask for the aspirin? WTF! Oh, there is no "dub hate", they simply do not want to invest in the american market. If they really wanted they could do the dub (to english) in Mexico (for nickels on the dollar, they are already doing the animation in korea or china) but they are just lazy, they are not really trying. Oh, even if there was no wikileaks whoever leaked the data could put those files somewhere for anyone to see, that is the beauty of the internet, there is no mass media (tv, radio, newspaper) that decides (reads censor) whether they publish any information. |
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firedragon54738
Posts: 3113 Location: wisconsin |
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Sigh yet anther way there trying to shut down sites
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Pepperidge
Posts: 1104 Location: British Columbia, Canada |
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There seems to be a lot of confusion about what the exact problem behind this bill is. Wyden placing a block on the bill shouldn't be seen as an action benefiting your "right" to pirate content, it should be seen as an action benefiting your right to not have your website indiscriminately taken down with absolutely no due process. If this bill were to pass, then the US government would have the power to do that. This is only ostensibly a bill to fight popular sites for illegal downloading as well as physical counterfeiting; in reality, the actual powers it will grant go far beyond that.
This should not be a thread for making moral judgments one way or another about piracy. That isn't the issue here at all. Frankly the fact that only one representative in both the house or the senate showed any degree of opposition to this bill is absolutely terrifying. |
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Mr. sickVisionz
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If you're broke there's a wealth of free and ultra cheap anime out there. Hulu, Crunchyroll, this site, TAN and others. |
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mangamuscle
Posts: 2658 Location: Mexico |
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You do realize the only reason he delayed the bill is so that next year is the republicans fault that such a measure was approved by the legislators? Mark my words, this bill will be approved and this will not be the last time you lose some rights on the pretense that they are defending you. |
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Sunday Silence
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Only one big problem: Works of the United States Government (and by extent, by it's employees) are technically considered to be Public Domain. |
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chrisc1978
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I agree, it will pass! I don't see the problem the only websites that would get shut down are the ones whos only purpose is to engage in copyright infringment. If they want to get there website back they can always sue for damages, I think this is how it should be. |
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Olivine
Posts: 197 Location: Sol 3 |
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And there it is. The internet is already evolving to bypass more outside control. Best part about all of this is that the government is indirectly making the internet better and better. Packet sniffing? Encryption becomes better, internet more secure. IP blocking? Proxies become better, internet more resilient. Domain blocking? Domain name resolution becomes distributed, internet less reliant on infrastructure. Keep going, government. Keep going! I want the government to send people to everyone's house to monitor them. That way the only way the internet can exist is if it beams itself directly into my brain. Come on, virtual reality! |
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