Forum - View topicHey, Answerman! [2006-07-28]
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Kilgamayan
Posts: 275 Location: Location, Location. |
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Is this a problem? The United States government doesn't seem to think so, otherwise they would've made it illegal too. Disregarding legal issues leaves you with moral and ethical ones, and it's pointless to debate those because neither morals nor ethics are universal so you're never going to get anywhere. Basically what this has become is you attacking Mint because he does things differently from you. If this is incorrect, then please let me know, but if I hit the bullseye, then why bother continuing? You're not going to accomplish anything.
Assuming the sarcasm in the last paragraph is used to imply that Mint fantasizes about children being raped and abused, this is nothing more than a straw man (with some ad hominem thrown in). "You beat off to animated 8-year-olds, so therefore you beat off to 8-year-olds in general."
So it's kiddie porn even though it isn't legally or (probably) morally? Then on what grounds is it? And are those grounds even meaningful at all if they're not legal or moral? |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
Posts: 7912 Location: Anime News Network Technodrome |
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Yeah, you truly are an oppressed minority in this thread. Says the guy who clearly registered just to defend lolicon porn in this thread and also filled in the "location" field with "raping your lolis because it pisses you off". PROTIP: you're supposed to put where you live there, not your oh-so-valuable opinion on whether or not it's cool to jerk off to kiddie porn. |
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MorwenLaicoriel
Posts: 1617 Location: Colorado |
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I can't sit back and watch this go on anymore without saying something.
When I was seven, I was 'molested'--I hate using that word, because the kid wasn't much older than I was. But no matter if he was an adult or a kid, it still screwed me up. Now, I know that nobody's saying it's *okay* that this happened, and I'm not trying to imply that he did it because he had lolicon on his computer, but arguing that it's okay because 'nobody is getting hurt' bothers me. Someone is getting hurt. You. You're slowly conditioning yourselves into thinking that it's OKAY that it's depicting a kid being treated like an object and not a person. It's not OK. You can yell about freedom until your blue in the face, but you're inslaving yourselves. Feel free to start the flames now. |
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Mint Mania IIDX
Posts: 77 Location: Central |
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...This is seriously all you have left. GJ, Zac. You've one-upped me this time. I don't know if I can stand against your protip about what I am supposed to put into a forum text field.
Guro makes me want to kill people. |
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hikaru004
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I'm not in shock. People have defended animated child porn/lolicon material before on this forum. I'm just wondering when it's going to get locked. Last edited by hikaru004 on Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:56 am; edited 1 time in total |
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dormcat
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Posts: 9902 Location: New Taipei City, Taiwan, ROC |
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Nice to meet you, Dr. Bohr. |
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Pop-Art Samurai
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This adds what to the discussion?
A number of the European countries have, or are likely moving that way. Perhaps the reason the US government hasn't specifically outlawed this yet is only because it hasn't come up.
Beautiful way to, you know, sidestep the whole point of the post. A pity too, it might be one of the most germane posts in the entire thread. |
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Kilgamayan
Posts: 275 Location: Location, Location. |
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The Supreme Court deemed making animated child porn illegal unconstitutional in 2003. They went out of their way to point it out as an exception to the rule. The Constitution is probably really the only thing holding the USA back from making it illegal. I know Canada has already gone to that length. |
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cyrax777
Posts: 1825 Location: the desert |
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actly it used to be for a while. then supreme court ruled not a real child so legal then http://icreport.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.4472: came along and restated
pretty much legaly simple drawings are not child porn. but were not talking the legal issue. Is wacking off to lolicon the same to spanking it to real CP. on one hand ethicaly theres no real child involved but on the other hand you are being turned on by a depection of a child. its very hard to aurgue but but its a just a anime kid so it doesnt count.well shit if she's supposed to be 8 you just got turned on by a 8 year old. sorry thats just the way it is. |
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Mint Mania IIDX
Posts: 77 Location: Central |
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I got it, but I don't see how it applies to everyone. The generalizations in this thread are ruining the creditability of most of its posters. |
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MorwenLaicoriel
Posts: 1617 Location: Colorado |
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I actually didn't say 'lolicon makes you rape children'...just that it desensitises you to the idea. Maybe guro doesn't make you want to KILL people, but maybe it makes it less of a big deal--which is dangerous, none the less. Same for lolicon. |
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ryujin jakka
Posts: 156 Location: Kansas City, Missouri |
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What in the fudge? People are actually defending Lolicon people! Great, I can see my beloved hobby decaying right before my eyes. "News Flash" "All of Japanese Anime declared Child Porn"= People [expletive] starring at me while I am buying the Latest godamn volume of Bleach, or a [expletive] godamn Miazaki Film.
To The [expletive] defender's of Lolicon, It does not matter if they are real children or Anime children, IT IS STILL [expletive] CHILD PORN! Jeasus Christ, Can't you people see that! Are you Insane! What the hell's wrong with you? Flame me all you want, I AM [expletive] RIGHT AND YOU ARE [expletive] WRONG AND SICK! Curtis END! [size=9](Apologies, I hate this topic)[/size] |
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Kilgamayan
Posts: 275 Location: Location, Location. |
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Most any fictional medium (and, sadly, a lot of the daily news) can be used for desensitization to things that common sense dictates require above-average amounts of attention. I could claim, for example, that 24 desensitizes its viewers to violence, possibly even more so than guro because Keifer Sutherland is a real person along with all the other actors.
I really hope you're not serious in this endeavour. If you are, then I'd like to point out to you that my government disagrees with you, and no offense, but I'm prepared to take their stance over yours. On a completely unrelated note, "germane" was on one of my 11th grade vocab tests. I remember the memorization hint the class decided upon was a comparison to Germany and how the Nazi's weren't. |
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ryujin jakka
Posts: 156 Location: Kansas City, Missouri |
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So you are defending them? What do you mean "your goverment disagree's with me?" Curtis Last edited by ryujin jakka on Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:56 am; edited 1 time in total |
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PantsGoblin
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Encyclopedia Editor Posts: 2969 Location: L.A. |
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Heh, looking through this thread, l find it funny that so many of the people on this side of the arguement are complete idiots/@$$holes like this who provide absolutely no arguement for their claims (not saying that all of them are like this though). Just funny how it ends up like that. Of course I'm not trying to imply something... |
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