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Gina Szanboti
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Yet. With people like you lobbing in and out at will (which I think is a perfectly fine way to manage things), sooner or later one of the services will take the plunge and offer only contracts (maybe quarterly at first, then 6 and 12 mo, then only 12 and 24 mo, depending on the pushback). If they don't take a significant hit for doing so, then everyone else will follow suit. Makes their quarterly income predictions easier to calculate and more stable for their stockholders, who are the only ones that matter. |
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matt78
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I'm surprised that Testament on a Sister New Devil was picked for this. I wonder if this puts an end to the rumor the other day about AT&T looking to sell Crunchyroll.
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Ushio
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AT&T will have to licence/renegotiate licences for either shows to be on both HBO Max and Crunchyroll or transfer to HBO Max and shut down Crunchyroll. They can't licence for Crunchyroll then just stick it other services they start. It's why only some shows will be on HBO Max to start to see of people who get HBO Max will actually watch anime. And a lot of people will get HBO Max as it replaces or is added to existing subscribers of various HBO services. |
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xxmsxx
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I am curious to if you are aware that your practice proves that the current monopolistic practices legal streaming services operate under is a definitive symptom to the problem we are facing in the anime community? What does streaming services sell? A show or a service? They sell their legal services, not a particular show. Looking from a consumer's perspective, I should be able to choose the best service I want to be served with, not forced to choose a service that has a show I want to watch every single time I want to watch a show. It is like going to a movie theatre. I am not choosing which movie to watch, I am choosing which theatre to go to. In the long term, it will create a disaggregated audience with little to no loyal to the subscription service, which, based on its titular function, should be retaining audience to generate revenue that go towards the anime production. Looking at it from a company perspective, I would be spending all my money on getting exclusive licenses to shows instead of improving my streaming service to retain audience. In the long term, it will create terrible services, no significant service improvement, high licensing prices, pseudo-competitive market with an audience unable to even watch the few popular shows during one season because they have been grabbed by opposing streaming services. |
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Covnam
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That would completely depend on the contracts though. It's plausible that at some point the contracts changed from 'streaming on crunchyroll' to 'streaming on crunchyroll, it's owner and/or it's owner's subsidiaries' or something along those lines.
I'm hoping all existing TV HBO subscribers get Max too (so far my provider isn't listed) as I personally don't see the need to subscribe to it at this point |
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Primus
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It's entirely possible that Warner operates both an HBO Max with anime and Crunchyroll. I see some of their more lightweight SVOD services like Boomerang and DC Universe being at risk, but Crunchyroll isn't that small. They have 2 million subscribers and millions of free users. HBO Max devalues a lot of Warner's other services, but Crunchyroll isn't one I see being impacted that dramatically. It can be positioned as the destination for diehard anime fans, while Max only offers a surface level selection of popular titles. People on this site love to whine about Netflix's release model. If HBO Max is going to be competing with Netflix, there's a good chance they're going to also do the batch releases, especially if they prioritize dub availability over immediacy. The solution? Leave simulcasts to Crunchyroll. |
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MoonPhase1
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I’m curious as to how this will be for Toonami. Like it could be a bad thing or a good thing for them. Would Toonami for instance be able to obtain any of these series they want and actually be able to get them even easier? For instance being easier to get Konosuba on Toonami or not?
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IceLeaf
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I pick and choose what I watch each season but every season more of what I want to watch keeps on being split across more distributors and it's hard when a series you really loved the manga or novel for ends up going to a distributor who has literally nothing else you want to watch... |
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Zalis116
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Yeah, if you want to watch a lot of stuff, it's going to cost a lot of money. But your numbers are getting even more inaccurate with time -- it's quite possible to get over 90% of airing/seasonal shows plus massive back catalogues with only 2 services for under $170 a year. Spending that much in the mid-2000s wouldn't have even gotten one 24-episode show from 2 years prior, which cannot be considered anything but a massive shift in the pro-consumer direction over time.
Original source (see page 4)
Would you believe that once upon a time, the market was so "fragmented" that consumers had to pay for each individual anime, at the rate of $30 per 4 episodes? Yet we didn't see Geneon being called "anti-consumer" for getting an exclusive license for Paranoia Agent. Though I don't see HBOMax getting into the anime acquisition game directly; this looks more like a quick and easy cross-promotional opportunity for Warner to beef up the catalogue, and for CR to get some of its titles in front of more "mainstream" eyeballs. There's no upside in HBOMax sniping titles away from CR in bidding wars, when Warner knows that CR is more adept at handling/licensing the content, they can just cross-share to HBOMax whenever they want, and the revenue goes to the same place either way. |
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enurtsol
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"HBO Max will use anime from Crunchyroll to compete with Netflix’s growing empire -- WarnerMedia wants anime to be a big part of HBO Max"
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Cardcaptor Takato
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ZeetherKID77
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So can we please have an Eizouken dub now?
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yuna49
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That's what service providers call "churn." HBO has been dealing with it for over forty years. I bet churn is a pretty stable fraction of total monthly revenues, so it doesn't affect income predictions. It's just a fact of life. I think discounts on longer-term subscriptions as, for instance, CR offers are more likely than mandatory minimum contracts. |
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