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samuelp
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Posts: 2232 Location: San Antonio, USA |
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Just for the record, the Sora no Oto Blu-rays (special edition) are 7350 yen each with 2 episodes on each disc, for a total of 7 volumes I think... That's 51,450 yen retail for the entire series. (so the person above was missing a zero). It works out to around $40 per episode, which is one of the most expensive releases out there for something that's not an OVA. The cheapest option are the normal DVDS, which are 5250 each, which is 36,750 yen at $30 an episode. |
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labantnet
Posts: 57 Location: Anoka, MN |
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My statement stands. Ridiculous pricing scheme.
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samuelp
Industry Insider
Posts: 2232 Location: San Antonio, USA |
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I wasn't trying to refute you, just trying to make sure people had accurate numbers. |
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einhorn303
Posts: 1180 |
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I submitted that answer, so I mise well clarify some things:
Nah, I'm not using it as a decimal. I just put the comma there so it synchs up to how the US dollar works and makes it easier to read.
That pricing scheme has obviously worked for Japan for the last 15 years or so. And in regards to the US market, one might say "It would never work because Americans don't love anime as much as the Japanese and aren't as willing to pay for it." However, for me personally that doesn't hold true.
Because an episode of Soranowoto gives me four times as much pleasure/enjoyment as an episode of True Blood? If I had to quantify it, it probably be more than four times. Heck, technically it'd be infinite times more pleasure/enjoyment because I wouldn't ever care enough to pop in a True Blood BD and watch it.
I was going by CDJapan's prices...they just have them as 7000 Yen each, so I guess it's discounted a bit. |
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labantnet
Posts: 57 Location: Anoka, MN |
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So here goes. First, as samuelp wrote, this is one of the most expensive releases for a non OVA release. So I wouldn't say that that pricing scheme has worked for 15 years. Also, since the Anime industry in Japan has been shrinking for the past 6 years (I think that is the year that things started the steady decline, +/- a year or so.) I would again say that it is far from working for them. Second, You're splitting hairs. I used True Blood as an example. I wasn't saying that it's the only American show in all of existence. Your statement is extremely nearsighted. You're acting like there exists no other Television show. Aside from that, my statement about the True Blood BD release was to illustrate the difference in the pricing for similar amounts of content. Here's Another example, note that, EXAMPLE, of American pricing: Fringe Season one, 22 episodes, 40 USD. That's 40 USD for the equivalent of between 44 and 66 anime episodes. The show is not important, just the pricing. Either way the point is, if the most expensive American movie standard BD release is 45 USD, and an equivalent Japanese anime movie BD release is 250 USD. You're saying that the Japanese pricing is ok, and should be followed here? Do you want the industry to die? |
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mdo7
Posts: 6264 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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Then show him anime like Halo Legends, Batman: Gotham Knight or any anime based on western properties. I want to see how 'friends' react to that. |
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doc-watson42
Encyclopedia Editor
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BTW, the term for those strips is "obi". |
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einhorn303
Posts: 1180 |
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It's comparable to other Bluray releases: K-On: ¥ 8,400 A Certain Scientific Railgun: ¥ 7,875 Bakemonogatari: ¥ 7,350 Hidamari Sketch x Three Stars: ¥ 7,140 Dance in the Vampire Bund: ¥ 7,140 And those shows are doing perfectly well.
My point is that to some people there is a large difference in enjoyment between anime (as a generalized and averaged whole) and American TV shows (as a generalized and averaged whole). To them anime (in general) is more valuable, per minute, than American TV shows (in general).
That question could possibly be rephrased as, "Do you want mainstream projects with mass appeal to become financially unfeasible, leaving only the niche and hardcore-audience-aimed projects which that business model can support?" To which I'd reply "That doesn't necessarily sound like a bad thing to me." |
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eyeresist
Posts: 995 Location: a 320x240 resolution igloo (Sydney) |
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I've always felt there's something suspicious about the huge amount the Japanese supposedly pay for anime on disc. I don't buy the "Japanese are massive otaku and therefore are willing to be reamed repeatedly because they love the animes so much" argument. At about $40 per episode (and considering the high cost of living over there), I think there must be a massive amount of pirating going on.
Thanks to Myra for mentioning Space 1999. I lent my box sets to a friend, and she told me that watching it was destroying her brain cells. |
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ZenErik
Posts: 392 Location: Boston |
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If I had the pleasure of watching some of all sorts of anime on regular TV stations, like in Japan, I would gladly pay the prices they pay. At the same time I would own a lot less series. Not just because of the cost but because I would watch more series all the way through before I consider buying them.
Because the prices are so low in the US, I tend to do a lot more blind buying or buying after only streaming an episode or 2. |
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DavidShallcross
Posts: 1008 |
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Probably not so much pirating as just recording directly off the TV broadcasts for personal libraries. |
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Captain Crotchspike
Posts: 355 Location: Phoenix, AZ |
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Comparing Tomino to Lucas doesn't make a whole of a lot of sense, considering he actually didn't want to make more Gundam - producers kept wanting him to do it. He's since come to be much more positive about Gundam on the whole after making Turn A Gundam, but really, this is the guy who constantly complains about sponsor interference. I don't see how you can be saying that everyone was rolling over for his ideas when so much of Gundam's story and what kind of series get made has often been decided by what the sponsors wanted. Just look at the Z Gundam movies - when asked why they were made, he said "people wanted to make money". It could just be brushed off as a funny comment, but considering how the movies are and how he was talking about wanting to make "Turn A Space" in the years previous, well...
Anyway, I was really disheartened by the answer to the Gundam movie dub question. I guess maybe you were trying to be funny, but pinning it on Tomino and running away with this narrative of him being a crazy person (he can be a bit eccentric, no doubt about it, but not in the way you described) just strikes me as sloppy and lazy. It's more complicated than that, and it's not really fair to always equate Sunrise's protectiveness of the franchise to Tomino. In what I've read about him, he's consistently been one of the most honest, interesting people in the industry, so it's kind of lousy to see him being made out to be some kind of Lucasonian freak he just doesn't seem to really be. Not to mention, while I agree it would've been nice to have the dub on the DVDs regardless...have you heard it? We're not exactly missing out. Among those mispronunciations is "GunDAMN". :S And for anyone curious, here's an account of a Q&A panel in which Tomino covers the issue of episode 15 and the soundtrack replacement:
Also keep in mind this particular episode is fairly infamous for its egregious animation errors.
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fuuma_monou
Posts: 1819 Location: Quezon City, Philippines |
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Heh. One of the things that annoy me in English-dubbed Gundam is "gun-dumb" apparently being the official pronunciation. |
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edzieba
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Maximus44
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Hold up. You know that you don't want a "niche and hardcore-audience-aimed projects" style market. If you had that, then all we would get is Loli/moe shows, and those Michael Bay style Gonzo hybrids that japan thinks is cool (and they wouldn't invest time and effort into anything else)! I would have never got into this industry, if it weren't for the variety (granted, variety was a little lacking back in 1996, but still Manga Ent. and ADV made it fun). If the market went full-throttle "niche", it would be digging it's own grave (as very few new fans would start, but old fans would quit). Anyway...I would support an extremely high priced dvd/blu-ray market in the U.S. (meaning that I still want my dubs), but they would have to stream everything they own. I would not blind buy at those prices! Also they would have to guarantee me that the money that they make off of my purchases go to more of what I want (that's right more Ergo Proxy and Mushi-Shi). |
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