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tuxedocat
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oh goodie. It must be Rocket Science Day. again. |
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Polycell
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There's nothing really offensive about the comparison in the context of Mesonoxian Eve's post; the fact that all the offense to it ignores the point made on either side of it for a cheap "How dare you compare a sexuality I think is evil with one I don't mind!" just illustrates what he was talking about: not all pedophiles are child molesters and not all child molesters are pedophiles and conflating the two doesn't do anybody any good.
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dtm42
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Yeah, if the thread is just going to be about paedophilia instead of this case in New Zealand then I'm out too. By the way, I cracked up at the image you used. |
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Polycell
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How is it not relevant? The conflation of lolicons, pedophiles and child molesters is the force responsible for this sort of bullshit.
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Mesonoxian Eve
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You're conflating being a fan of loli characters with those who are fans of lolicon. These are not the same thing. Lolicon is very aptly defined as a sexual attraction to loli characters. The word is derived from the book/movie Lolita, which I'm sure most people are familiar with. The general public, however, will not separate this attraction from pedophilia. It's the very reason these laws exist, and why this article exists. It doesn't matter if there's a real world correlation. If you took these very same anime lolicon images to the general public, you'll have an overwhelming majority indicate they're child pornography and those who are attracted to them are pedophiles. This very notion is why these laws exist. Almost every country has laws against sexual depictions of minors, no matter what the medium is. Even if we were to survey those who are fans of lolicon, I seriously doubt most would answer honestly of being a pedophile because of the stigma that's attached to it. Being classified (wait: I should say "labeled" since a few other readers of this discussion are incapable of understanding) a pedophile brands a person with a negative view, which is stupid by default. I'm one to believe it's stupid to hold something like pedophilia against someone. No one can control what they're attracted to, hence why the label is no different than homosexuality. Yet look how the public treats homosexuality (which is slowly changing, far too slow in my opinion). No one advocates a sexual relationship with a minor, but one shouldn't pretend such attraction doesn't exist because it makes them feel icky.
There is no law regarding pedophilia, at least in the US. Pedophilia is nothing more than a classification assigned to patients under psychological care and is used internally. At current, it is not considered a medical diagnosis, indicating it's not something that can be treated. In fact, most cases of pedophilia are assigned CPT codes (for billing) that are no different than schizophrenia, bipolar, and any other psychological disorder.
Which is why I said "most likely". Keep in mind: I'm with firm belief those who are into lolicon are pedophiles. To me, you can not separate the sexual attraction equation from the issue. It doesn't matter if these lolicons are into real children or not. Pedophilia and lolicon are synonymous with me. Cut the head off the loli character and tell me if the bodies are different. Otherwise, we're back into the difference between fans of loli vs. fans of lolicon. One final cautionary statement: for those into lolicon trying to defend the definition, it's important to realize that I'm one to believe such arguments would be futile when there are adult women with the same body type which can serve the "need", so to speak. In fact, Australia was aware porn was taking advantage of this and has made it illegal for porn producers to make videos of girls without breasts because it (falsely) promoted pedophilia. Google for verification in an NSFW location. If the body type is the claim here, it's going to be very tough to convince me that the character has to be underage to achieve it.
This excuses the law's passing. It does not excuse why the law's still on the books when it's made public.
Yet you don't admit to being a pedophile. Doesn't matter because I know most people aren't going to openly admit to being a pedophile. But to those who are, in reading this, understand not everyone in this discussion is uncomfortable with it. I want to make it clear again: pedophilia is not the same thing as child molester. Don't make the mistake I'm one of the many around here who think they're synonymous. However, you need to be aware by admitting you're a lolicon, to many around here, you are also admitting to being a pedophile and will be treated accordingly. Since there's honesty here, take comfort this chastising idiocy will not come from me. Anyone who knows a pedophile who's attracted to real children knows what horror they're living with because they're not child molesters. They'd be treated like one because most people are completely ignorant on the matter. All thanks to mass media hysteria. |
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Mohawk52
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Polycell
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Mohawk52
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Polycell
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tcsavato
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In a general sense, I'm talking about both, but I am just focusing on the lolicon population. Also I'm very well aware of where the word comes from.
I've talked to a few that have and are proudly open to admit to being both even to family with no real qualms in their social life. If you are an open lolicon, there's really not much else worth hiding in a fetish sense. Not saying it's on of the worst fetishes to have, but it's definitely one that catches people's eyes.
I'm not saying that there's a law against pedophilia, just how it's legally defined.
Here's our disconnect. One you also ignored my example of Edna Krabapol. An attraction to fiction does not necessarily translate into reality. Much like Furries are not actually Zoophiles in real life. The sexual attraction mostly lies in the art style of the work combined with the body style and such, with the art style taking precedence because these characters are meant to be attractive in some form regardless of whether it is sexual or not.
Real people aren't as cute as lolis~
There's plenty of >16 year old characters that classify as loli. Real People too, but meh.
Going back to Oklahoma making Whaling Illegal. It's still on the books despite the fact that it is impossible to go Whaling in Oklahoma. And again, it's highly doubtful that anybody knows it exists. Not everybody knows every law.
If I was, I would admit to it. Real kids are just ugly and uncute.
I really don't care what they think. I just have a high intolerance of illogical thinking. So it would mostly be met with me laughing. Nothing against you, you do have logic behind your words. I just wanted to bring some education from a lolicon himself. For the rape discussion, Most rapes are done for power or to dehumanize the victim. When it comes to kids, it's mostly a power thing. It's easier to coerce and over power them, making them easy targets, really. This may be a bit of a limited example, but prison rapes are about power. Very few that rape others in prison are actually gay. |
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TsunaReborn!
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This is still going on?
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tuxedocat
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Walsh_Child_Protection_and_Safety_Act |
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guildmaster
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Unfortunately, yes. |
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Mohawk52
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Khooni
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I'm gonna ditch Facebook....... these forums really crack me up!!!
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