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INTEREST: Idol Fined 650,000 Yen for Dating Contract Violation

ikillchicken wrote:

Just another demonstration of how the Idol industry is a disgusting, dehumanizing business built around catering to the delusional fantasies of a lot of sad little men and their absurd and deeply misogynistic notions of female purity. And by the way, you guys can carry on all you want about how she "signed a contract". If you're seriously gonna blame a teenager for failing to live up to this ridiculous clause while hand waving the larger circumstances that demand such contract clauses in the first place...well it says more about you as a person and your messed up priorities than anything else.

All I see is a bunch of Japan bashing. Nobody has any problem with teenagers signing their lives away joining the military. They lose more of their rights and freedoms than any Japanese Idol.

I have no problem with people not liking the industry, as long as they are willing to acknowledge that our country also has such clauses, which no one seems to complain about, until they are forced to in these topics.

But to me all this complaining I am hearing sounds like a bunch of western fans telling these Japanese Idols that they can't have their dreams and fame; knowing full well that if your ideas were implemented, all of the idol jobs would be over with, along with those girls dreams. Sure some of them would find other ways, but it would be a hard road. What other entertainment business, hires a bunch of recruits and trains them to sing and dance.

Lets be clear here. If there is no purity clauses, there will be no marketable idols, and thus no paying audience. There will be no jobs and you will have eliminated a means to enter the Japanese entertainment industry. So lets not tell ourselves any lies. It has been explained many times what supports this industry. Without it, there will be no paying audience, and thus no jobs.

So what you are really saying is, that you want the girls fired from their jobs and the industry closed down. You know, white knights riding into town to save all the girls from evil, then leaving after all your work is done and making all the survivors pick up the pieces afterward.

TarsTarkas wrote:

Perhaps you shouldn't have a daughter then. There's been enough fathers killing their daughters and other family members, in the news, to last me several life times.

Oh don't be so flippantly condescending, you know what they mean.

And by the way, you guys can carry on all you want about how she "signed a contract". If you're seriously gonna blame a teenager for failing to live up to this ridiculous clause while hand waving the larger circumstances that demand such contract clauses in the first place...well it says more about you as a person and your messed up priorities than anything else.

The judge went on to say "My idol should be pure-desu. A baka like you wouldn't understand that!"

Oh, I thought we were living in the politically correct nanny state, where you aren't allowed to say such things.

But does it really matter what he meant. Crime dramas and reality forensic shows, show quite clearly that it is dangerous making claims of wanting to murder people, especially family members. His statement will now live forever on the internet, waiting for the day it can blossom on the newest episode of the Forensic Files.

So yes, you are correct. I was doing that and fully understood what he meant. It is still a idiotic thing to say and there will forever be a record that he said it. And as a father, I am tired of seeing all these father's kill their daughters and other family members. It really shouldn't be something young men say, lest they forget.

Yes, the clauses exist here and while they can be pretty bad, those are often for performers who are performing specifically for a young audience, basically kids and teens singing for kids and teens, they are both a performer and role model, idols are singing for primarily dirty old men and women who see the talent more as an expendable sex object and less for their actual talent.

The Idol industry can survive without chastity and no dating clauses with the proper education of the Otaku and some intervention from the Japanese government.

"The proper education of otaku". What is that. Are you going to register them and force them to have ID's. "Show us your papers, you dirty Otaku". Sounds like you want to send them to re-education camps.

ikillchicken wrote:

If you're seriously gonna blame a teenager for failing to live up to this ridiculous clause while hand waving the larger circumstances that demand such contract clauses in the first place...well it says more about you as a person and your messed up priorities than anything else.

Spare me the holier-than-thou outrage.

Becoming an idol is like making a deal with the devil. Sure, he's horrible and nasty and he's probably going to end up screwing you over. But on the other hand, you can't say you didn't know what would be in store for you, and you can't plead innocence when you willingly and happily signed your life away for all the riches he promised you.

All I see is a bunch of Japan bashing. Nobody has any problem with teenagers signing their lives away joining the military. They lose more of their rights and freedoms than any Japanese Idol.

Hoppy800 wrote:

Yes, the clauses exist here and while they can be pretty bad, those are often for performers who are performing specifically for a young audience, basically kids and teens singing for kids and teens, they are both a performer and role model, idols are singing for primarily dirty old men and women who see the talent more as an expendable sex object and less for their actual talent. The Idol industry can survive without chastity and no dating clauses with the proper education of the Otaku and some intervention from the Japanese government.

Ah, I see how you ignored the military there.

That is not true, your forgetting about Charlie Sheen and many other actors and actresses who have such clauses to keep bad press away and to ensure that the actors and actresses don't harm themselves during production. Thinking you are also forgetting about all those sponsorship deals.

It all boils down to, when Japan does it, it is evil. But when America does it, we make excuses.

Let's be honest here, at least for the Japanese Idol's sake. It has been explained many times how the industry works. What you want will kill the industry and will kill the jobs. Don't lie to yourself that it won't.

"The proper education of otaku". What is that. Are you going to register them and force them to have ID's. "Show us your papers, you dirty Otaku". Sounds like you want to send them to re-education camps.

Having said that, these "she knew what she was getting into" and "she should have known better" statements are insensitive and disturbing.