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This Week in Anime - The Rise and Evolution of Old Classic Dubs

YagamiBlackstone255 wrote:

Also I dont think so. Crunchyroll has not helped. At all. Because you need an account to even see Pretty Cure. Kids who cant pay for an account will never be able to watch it. We are exactly where we started, only the subs are not fanmade anymore.

I hope you're aware you have to pay for dubs too and Crunchyroll is still cheaper than most other apps with every other apps severely raising their price to almost $20 while Crunchyroll is like $8 a month and when I was a kid anime was like $40 on VHS for two episodes. And if they really want free stuff people know how to find it. And I totally get it and I can't say I've never downloaded something before but I just did it and didn't make it out that I'm somehow on a righteous mission or something.

I don't know how involved they were with Glitter Force. Seems like Saban made most of the choices, though Toei must have bene aware.

And if popularity plays a factor, then I don't get why Toei bothered to re-dub Saint Seiya. It's a great thing, but Seya even less of a fandom in English speaking countries than in Europe and Latin America. Plus the dub itself was just dumped on Netflix before it was removed and then re-located to Crunchyroll. Regardless, Saint Seiya was a failure when it was first brought to the US, yet Toei keeps trying to promote the franchise via a CGI reboot and a theatrical release of that new live action movie.

I would argue Toei putting up all the backlog Precure shows on streaming and also making Precure available outside the US would also help to increase the show's popularity.

EDIT: I think I did misunderstood entirely. But see, if you pay for a dub at least you get a dub. Subs can be found for free easily elsewhere.




EDIT 2: Oops the body of my post got messed up

I would argue Toei putting up all the backlog Precure shows on streaming and also making Precure available outside the US would also help to increase the show's popularity.

wrote: Also I dont think so. Crunchyroll has not helped. At all. Because you need an account to even see Pretty Cure. Kids who cant pay for an account will never be able to watch it. We are exactly where we started, only the subs are not fanmade anymore.

Once again asking why some Precure fans think the show is only of value if it's spoken in English or why they think devaluing the original Japanese version is a winning argument for expanding the show's success.

The original plan for Smile's English dub was to call it Gangnam Girls (which they changed for I assume legal reasons) and to get it on Nick so that's why the show was cut to two 20-episode seasons because that was Nick's rule for Power Rangers when they aired it (not counting the two yearly Holiday recaps and the one TV movie that Samurai had).

When it didn't happen, they got it on Netflix as part of a deal with other Saban programming (Luna Petunia, Popples 2015, etc) and this was before Dokidoki's dub went into production hence why Dokidoki was cut down to two 15-episode seasons since it was done with Netflix in mind.

YagamiBlackstone255 wrote:

EDIT: I think I did misunderstood entirely. But see, if you pay for a dub at least you get a dub. Subs can be found for free easily elsewhere. EDIT 2: Oops the body of my post got messed up

Once again asking why some Precure fans think the show is only of value if it's spoken in English or why they think devaluing the original Japanese version is a winning argument for expanding the show's success.

IMO, every anime deserves a faithful English dub. An English dub's job should be to reflect the Japanese version as much as possible (allowing leeway for some culture and language differences). And it should be cast, directed, and acted well, too. Even the most obscure or safe-for-kids show deserve it. At a certain point, an unfaithful dub becomes a show onto itself, one different than the intended show, and that's an insult to the material.

I think what made 4Kids stand-out with their anime dubs was that they were making these dubs during a time when the internet was really beginning to take off during the mid 2000s. But they’re still part of our glorious shared history of anime in america! What a lot of fans misunderstand is that these guys were never really in the anime business per se, they were in the toy licensing business. Anime was a means to that end, which is why they were often so cavalier with it. It was done to sell toys.

penguintruth wrote:

IMO, every anime deserves a faithful English dub. An English dub's job should be to reflect the Japanese version as much as possible (allowing leeway for some culture and language differences). And it should be cast, directed, and acted well, too. Even the most obscure or safe-for-kids show deserve it. At a certain point, an unfaithful dub becomes a show onto itself, one different than the intended show, and that's an insult to the material.

Quoted for 'truth! People always say "Oh that show can get gutted for all I care!" but never stop and think that their favorite show could get treated that way.

mgree0032 wrote:

I think what made 4Kids stand-out with their anime dubs was that they were making these dubs during a time when the internet was really beginning to take off during the mid 2000s. But they’re still part of our glorious shared history of anime in america! What a lot of fans misunderstand is that these guys were never really in the anime business per se, they were in the toy licensing business. Anime was a means to that end, which is why they were often so cavalier with it. It was done to sell toys.

Hideous "GLORIOUS SHARED HISTORY OF ANIME IN AMERICA" (It is actually indeed a part of history but this wording is hideous, it takes pride in destroying art, rather than it just being a necessary evil at the time.) aside, this is a very true statement. 4kids was never actually an anime company. They wanted to sell toys first and foremost. This is the most true thing you've said so far, an actual statement.

It is sad that when 4kids finally got into their heads that faithful dubs sell more so it was in their best interests to treat anime right and make alliances with more faithful anime companies to air their shows on Toonzai the gosh darned lawsuit killed them.

Also, 4kids/NY got the best actors and singers in the world. Plus they’re Broadway superstars.

Once again asking why some Precure fans think the show is only of value if it's spoken in English or why they think devaluing the original Japanese version is a winning argument for expanding the show's success.

Cardcaptor Takato wrote:

Once again asking why some Precure fans think the show is only of value if it's spoken in English or why they think devaluing the original Japanese version is a winning argument for expanding the show's success.

I think some people just want an English dub so it feels like other popular anime. But I don't know how popular dubs are these days for shows that don't air on television, which seems to be only a handful of shounen that air on Adult Swim. I don't follow the dub scene much though. How much of anime in general gets an English dub these days and how do they compare to the original sub which tends to be simulcasted and probably gets a bigger attention from the seasonal crowd, in my guesstimate.

mgree0032 wrote:

Also, 4kids/NY got the best actors and singers in the world. Plus they’re Broadway superstars.

Nothing against New York-based actors, as there are some very talented people working out of there, but there's a hefty Citation Needed here.