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configspace
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Correction: people can have different taste
Ironically, it's not unlike how I read why some Japanese fans did not pay attention to LWA and the rest of the Anime Mirai shorts (i.e. tech demo). But back to Akira. It was an awesome spectacle, but a confused bungled mess; an entire gigantic epic manga series squeezed into one movie. |
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musouka
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My issue isn't Ryan's taste, it's his tendency to make sweeping assertions about the Japanese market using his own taste as a guideline, rather than looking at available facts. |
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VORTIA
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Neither I nor RyanSaotome asserted an anime sucked, nor did we indicate we were offering a "review". Ryan stated that Little Witch Academia recieved a rather muted reaction from Japanese fans, a statement I supported. Neither of us asserted that the popularity or lack thereof was a valid accessment of the program's quality. |
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VORTIA
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What available facts is he ignoring? The Little Witch Acadamia event didn't sell enough seats to happen (fact), the kickstarter for the second episode deliberately appealed to Western fans (fact) and he has done his best to assess the actual comments of actual Japanese fans regarding the program. I'd actually assert he's paid much more attention to the available facts than anyone else on this thread. Granted, Ryan doesn't rush into threads to announce when the Japanese market goes crazy for things that are counter to his taste (I very much doubt RyanSaotome is a big fan of Attack on Titan, but the Japanese are eating it up). I'd posit, however, that most polite people don't rush out to repeatedly announce in public how they don't like how things are running counter to their taste. |
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YamadaKun
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@VORTIA Yeah, the Japanese fans in general don't really like or care for LWA. So? Does that mean anything at all? No, not really. Just like I don't care if Americans dislike Sword in the Stone. The home country of a product is not the be all, end all, believe it or not. Popularity never has meant anything, unless backed up. Like Lion King. Lion King is a masterpiece, which has a lot of fanboys, however that movie deserves everything it has. Now it's a billion $ on its own. Something like COD deserves NOTHING. That shit is lame. Bad controls, repetitive. Nothing is good about COD. However, there's shit like Gundam X, which is close to a masterpiece, but people don't care for it in Japan. Big whoop. It's still a near masterpiece, nonetheless.
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VORTIA
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For the individual experiencing the program? Agreed. I've loved plenty of anime that have bombed. Escaflowne was a great series that did rather poorly, and if I recall was even cancelled before its run was complete. If you want a reasonable assessment regarding whether or not there will be significantly more of a given franchise, however, it's popularity will be key. Unless Western audiences buy the release of Little Witch Academia in droves, or Trigger keeps running kickstarters for it, I wouldn't expect more after this second OVA. |
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RyanSaotome
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Yeah, exactly this. Theres nothing wrong at all with liking something thats not popular in Japan, thats cool. But Japan is the driving force of what gets made in the industry... You should care about how Japan receives things when it comes to the type of anime that is made going forward. With how little the Western market impacts the anime industry these days, there isn't much reason for Japan to make shows that the West likes but Japan doesn't. |
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YamadaKun
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@VORTIA OF course Trigger and friends need some money, duh. That's why people make stuff for the public to enjoy. To make profits. However, there are some who do no deserve it. Take Dragon Ball Evoution. I never really liked the original Toriyama series, but it didn't deserve that shitty movie, however it made less than $20 million in its home country(well one of its home countries), due to word of mouth and obvious terribleness. If LWA is the best it can be, it deserves to sell very well. The budget is $600,000+. Making that back shouldn't be too hard. It needs to sell about 20,000 to break even and 40,000 to make a nice profit. It COULD do that. Just not in Japan, which is fine. If I were an American producer, but I realized something only did meh in America, but really well in Japan, I'll focus on Japan. That Tim Burton known as The Nightmare Before Christmas did not do that well in America. It did ULTRA well in Japan. Now Disney only focuses on Japan for that product. Why WOULD it focus on the US? The US doesn't even like TNBC! Lilo and Stitch did well, but it didn't last. It's STILL popular to this day in Japan. Japan is the only place were the TV series is fully released on DVD, they have their own anime products and loads of merch. Disney focuses on Japan for Stitch products and for good reason. Anime may be Japanese, but saying the Japanese are the be all end all is like saying the Americans are the be all end all to those above Disney movies, which they're not.
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VORTIA
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The thing is, most anime company's were actually very excited about the prospect of Western sales back in the mid-2000's. Unfortunately, they falsely believed that American fans would act like Japanese fans, and shell out 60$ for two episodes on Blu-Ray and consume truckloads of merchandise. They quickly realised this was not the case. Now, most seem to consider marketing to Westerners an unfathomable dead-end. Is that foolish? Sure it is, but that's the nature of the beast. If Studio Trigger proves them wrong with Little Witch Academia, that'd be neat, but I rather doubt that will happen. I can't see Little Witch Academia becoming the next Sailor Moon or Pokemon, and that's what would need to happen to really turn the heads of Japanese production committees.
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"To make profits" - agree "some who do not deserve it" - disagree; and well, just wrong |
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Maidenoftheredhand
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Anime Mirai was a little project that I doubt anyone thought was going to make loads of money. The fact that Little Witch Academia got the support it did (even from an International fanbase) is a big deal. No one is expecting it to be the next Sailor Moon but that doesn't mean it wasn't its own little success regardless of it not doing well in the home market. |
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YamadaKun
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@VORTIA Depends on the anime. Something very Japanese is better targeted to the Japanese. Something like Trigun and Big O has and is better targeted to Westerners, for obvious reasons.
@configspace There are some people in life who do not deserve money for anime or any sort of product. Take Sunrise. They make millions of dollars a year, yet they do not deserve because they have been shitting garbage for a LONG ass time. Same with Aniplex. All of it. I do not think Madoka deserves 1$ of anything. It isn't really all too good at all. I find it to be horrible, the art is bad, the character designs turn me off, the plot is barely a plot, even Looney Tunes has more plot, I blame it as one of the reasons I hate modern anime and the FANS are SO defensive. It's just a lamer version of Evangelion. |
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Zac
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Holy god you are so wrong about this it's like you created a singularity of complete and utter wrongness that threatens to swallow the galaxy Nightmare before Christmas was a modest success upon its release but slowly became one of the biggest cult sensations in Disney's catalog, eventually creating a gigantic flood of merchandise and theatrical re-releases that continues to this day. Go to any Disney park and at least 80% of the merchandise in certain parts of the park are all Nightmare-centric. It went from modest cult thing to massive cultural thing. |
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lostrune
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 I see Nightmare Before Christmas stuff all the time in stores like Hot Topic. It seems to appeal to those older kids who like it for its cutsey dark nature. I imagine Lilo & Stitch has a DVD release there because kids shows in America rarely get DVD releases.
Well, if you wan't to get technical Spirited Away made more money per capita in its home country than Toy Story 3 did. Gatta take that population difference into account. It's kind of impressive when you see a film in a much smaller country like Japan get into the hundreds of millions like a Hollywood blockbuster can. Most movies cap out under 100 million there due to their much smaller market and population.
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YamadaKun
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@lostrune Yeah, I know about population differences and all. Just making a point to prove that quality has no bearing with gross. TS3 isn't even Pixar's best. I also know that only certain kids shows here get full releases, but the Lilo and Stitch cartoon only got 1 full release in one country. Japan.
@zac Didn't know that. Still not as popular as it is in Japan though and it probably never will be. Japan was the reason those characters were in Kingdom Hearts. Though Kingdom Hearts technically does better in the US, though. It's like Donald Duck. Sure he's popular in the States, but it doesn't compare to his popularity in Sweden or Norway or other Nordic countries like FInland and Denmark. |
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