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enurtsol
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It's like British comedy. (Or those Adult Swim comedies where ya have to be familiar with American geek culture to appreciate - not for the average viewer.)
People don't like it when they deviate. Look at My Monster Secret. Best not to deal with it. |
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YumeHunter
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TarsTarkas
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The reviewer is not required to like the show, just because some people did. I think it is fair to say, if you are not understanding some parts of a show, that could hamper your enjoyment of the film.
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lizardking461
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Hozuki was pretty much the mediocre animated Japanese version of the BBC Radio classic 'Old Harry's Game'. The reviewer hits the nail on the head: 90% of the humour found in the anime required deep and very specific knowledge of cultural lore, which is pretty unacceptable when writing for comedy within a modern entertainment medium: even amongst Japanese anime watchers, there would have been many that didn't get a lot of the jokes. When you make a situation comedy, the majority of the humour should arise directly out of the cast and the situation they find themselves in, not from peripheral subject matter.
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dtm42
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@TarsTarkas:
Not understanding all the cultural references and jokes might stop you from liking the show as much as you otherwise could have, but it does not mean that you are unable to like the show at all. Even if you knew nothing about Japan and it's culture there was still a lot to get out of Hozuki no Reitetsu. As I said, there were heaps of stuff that flew right past my head and yet overall I still liked it. And the basic structure of the show is actually quite easy to understand. Japanese Hell is a bureaucracy, its ruler is Enma but he's incompetent, so ultra-competent second-in-command Hozuki does the day-by-day management. The employees of Hell may torture the dead for a living in themed areas but they still watch television in the company cafeteria when on break. You don't need to be a Japanophile to get humour like that.
You're flat-out wrong on this. Most of the humour was character- and situation-derived.
Even if it was true that Hozuki no Reitetsu required a high level of familiarity with Japanese culture to enjoy (which it didn't), why would it be unacceptable? Why can't a fictional story expect that the reader is versed in the same culture as the story is set in? There wouldn't be anything wrong with an Indian story requiring familiarity with Indian culture, or a French story requiring familiarity with French culture, or an American story requiring familiarity with American culture. So why can't a Japanese story require familiarity with Japanese culture?
Are you seriously trying to claim that Momotaro is not known by most Japanese? And if Japanese viewers didn't get the jokes, why was Hozuki no Reitetsu one of the smash hits of last year? It averaged nearly fifteen thousand copies per volume, making it one of highest-selling anime ever.
As I said before, that's what the show did. Even if you didn't know anything about Japan you could still find a lot to like about this show. |
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enurtsol
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Reminds us looking at it from the reverse, when a Japanese reminisced after hearing Jon Stewart is leaving The Daily Show:
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Ali07
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Ah, The Ambition of Oda Nobuna. Loved that series, I really do. But, I agree with it being a rental. My main reason - the ending. Screaming for a 2nd season, and I don't know if we'll ever see one, but it was an ending that was too open for me. Wouldn't rewatch the series due to that.
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Zalis116
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Gina Szanboti
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^ Yeah, that's not a review I would have read, let alone the feedback. :)
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lizardking461
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[edited for over-quoting -t]
@dtm42 I'm not even going to bother replying to your 'arguments' - liking something for inexplicable reasons is fine, but forcing delusions upon yourself that are evidently wrong in order to justify your liking of said thing is stupid. I implore you to seek out a well written sitcom and compare, because evidently you haven't seen one if you think this was an exemplar. |
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CrowLia
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OH MY GOD someone just threw a "My subjective opinion is the correct one because reasons" back at dtm42. This is a brave new world, people!
About Hoozuki, while I agree it may not be for everyone, I think condemning it with a "Perishable" rating just because you don't understand the jokes is weird and kind of unfair to say the least. I also fail to see why both Carl and Lynzee find Hoozuki unlikable, he was my favorite character of the show. Of course we don't see complex relationships or character development throughout the show, but it works nonetheless, and Hozuki's over the top professionality as well as his violent relationships with Enma and Hakutaku, in contrast with his passion for goldfish plants and love of fluffy animals is hilarious in and of itself (btw, you know other character that hardly has any development, if any at all, during their show? Yes, Nozaki-kun, from last year's most beloved comedy series.)
There are plenty examples of the contrary, but sticking to the historical genderbend genre, Sengoku Otome didn't have a single male character, rather all the girls went lesbian for (admittedly hot and in no way teenage everyman protagonist) Oda Nobunaga Last edited by CrowLia on Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:52 am; edited 1 time in total |
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jr240483
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well its no highschool dxd when it comes to harem series, but there have been worse and fortunately this series isnt one of them. also it does have some character development for the side characters,but the main will always be oda and monkey which may hinder it from showing its potential. definitely rental shelf. and hoozuki unfortunately is perishable for a reason.its just too unwatchable. i've seen it twice and it doesnt make sense at all. not to mention their aspects of comedy kinda falls flat. so dong definitely is justified for putting it perishable.
True , but at least they didn't made him as a power hungry warlord that sold his soul to demons like in Capcom's Onimusha 2 game. or have his whole history do a complete 180 like in Pokemon Conquest. those aspects were ten times awful than Ghost Sweeper Mikami's take of Oda Nobunaga. |
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aquadon1963
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Nice Shelves ...
So who knows the name of the black plushie in Photo # 10 ... thanks |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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Hah. It's by no means the first time this has happened. Somehow I attract weirdos. |
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Jacquipuff
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It looks like it's a Heartless from the Kingdom Hearts games. |
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